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All names taken 22nd Jan 2015 12:08

Yeah......anger mainly
Prescription charges, tuition fees and now APD.
This will hit a part of the 'so-called United' Kingdom - the North East - most of all. Totally unjust and unfair.

So I pay my taxes.....so that Scottish people don't have to.
Someone somewhere is seriously taking the pi$$

GrahamK 22nd Jan 2015 12:16

Scottish people pay their taxes too! In fact we pay more tax per head than anywhere else in the UK!

fa2fi 22nd Jan 2015 12:41

Yeah and you also get WAY more back than England! Let's not forget that.

Good ole' Barnett formula!

GrahamK 22nd Jan 2015 12:51

Fair enough ;)

So, getting back on topic, will we see droves of Geordies head off to use EDI or GLA?

Richard Taylor 22nd Jan 2015 12:54

Not that old myth again. :rolleyes:

So what you are saying is my taxes head to the Treasury in London, never to be seen again. If they don't go there, where do they go then?

Didn't the NE have the chance of a Regional Assembly which could have given you the chance of Powers but it was rejected.

Difference is, Scotland isn't a region no matter how many people down south refer to it as such.

You can thank your politicians for panicking as the D-Day came closer with the vote too close to call at that time. Now, we expect what was promised - no more, no less.

You can deal with it with your vote at the forthcoming GE.

anothertyke 22nd Jan 2015 12:58

Exactly what I was wondering GrahamK. What proportion of NCL's traffic is Band B? I can't really see there being much leakage of Band A traffic at £13 per adult and half that per child per round trip. But if Ms Sturgeon and co halved the Band B rate (£69) and that got passed through 100% then you might be talking. Even then coming back from Dubai or New York with 120 miles to do over Carter Bar would not be everyone's cup of tea.

fa2fi 22nd Jan 2015 13:04

The NE Regional Assembly was a joke. I'll thought out and information about it was scarce.

It's just a shame the oil price crash didn't happen six months earlier. Would have been a clear NO vote with zero effort required.

Never understood all the anti English sentiment North of the Border. After all we don't get free prescriptions, university or elderly social care. And we will have to pay full APD and public spending per head is less than Scotland. Yet I see nothing but hatred. Despite me being half Scottish and half English I've picked up on it since I was about four years old.

We didn't ask for Scotland to be part of the UK and to be honest a lot of people wanted them to go independent. I personally did. The English also have NO representation in government and are deprived a national identity.
All in all life ain't all that bad North of the border.

Anyway back on topic. I often use EDI but that's only because I get a free rail pass and I use edi for schedule reasons. Not cost. I can't see myself ever going to Glasgow unless it was long haul and at least £100 per head cheaper.

anothertyke 22nd Jan 2015 13:16

I suppose for Carlisle and W Cumbria the choices would be a bit closer.

GrahamK 22nd Jan 2015 13:32

anothertyke

Indeed, and already you see travel agents pushing GLA and MAN over NCL flights in Carlisle

anothertyke 22nd Jan 2015 15:02

Just looked up the CAA origin destination data. First one I came to was 2005. Northumberland and Cumbria sent 37,000 to EDI/GLA, sort of as expected. But Scotland sent 133,000 to NCL, far more than I would have expected.

HH6702 22nd Jan 2015 16:04

APD tax
 
To be fair this is a worry for the northeast however I think we need to see what happens as I bet that the full amount doesn't get passed into the passenger

Just look at the price if oil - have air fares reduced? NO
So APD scrapped - savings passed into passengers let's wait and see

I think the margins in which the airlines make will increase.

What maybe will happy though is growth will be more in Scotland as it will be cheaper than ncl for margins!!

Yes this next 500,000 people or ncl will take some doing

Travel Agent 22nd Jan 2015 16:08

With regards to oil you probably won't see a huge difference at first as many airlines hedge so have bought fuel in for a set amount of time. The only airline that has really scored has been Monarch as when they were having problems before the takeover they had not been able to hedge....

HH6702 22nd Jan 2015 17:01

But the oil is cheapest in 5 years (2009)
Newer aircraft etc we should see prices fall over the next year or so but we won't

EK77WNCL 22nd Jan 2015 18:48

HH6702, I agree, you have the right idea, maybe not loads of geordies heading north but more than likely airlines having less faith in NCL and thus NCL will fall behind in terms of potential for expansion or new airlines.

Very tempted to comment on David Cameron's picture of him at Edinburgh Airport bigging them up today... Might bite my tongue for a bit.

Fairdealfrank 22nd Jan 2015 21:53

APD
 

If it affects Newcastle what hope will DTV have?
I see DTV MP Phil Wilson is mentioned, but the chancellor won't reply to the Labour party letters from way back in November, so he can't do anything as usual! As much use as a chocolate fire guard.
Thought it was just that the revenue from APD at Scots airports would be handed over to the Scottish Executive to spend. Got that wrong.


Although I do think I have an amazing idea, to stop NCL (and others) losing out if we give Scotland more (which we will), one of the following should happen, in order of preference:
1. Cut APD to all airports with under 20,000,000 PPA (just clinches top spot, simply due to the complete and utter selfishness that it would help NCL win a bit over MAN)
2. Cut APD alltogether!!!
3. Cut APD to every airport outside the home counties... I quite like that one too.
Nonsense, only 2. makes any sense.


So it's official, APD is being devolved tOo Scotland. This could mean that NCL will lose out to EDI and GLA. Of course, the airlines may not pass on any savings to the customer, and thus nothing will change.

Thoughts?
The aggravation, hassle, time and cost of flying from EDI instead of NCL (all other things being equal) make it unlikely in most cases.


We didn't ask for Scotland to be part of the UK and to be honest a lot of people wanted them to go independent. I personally did. The English also have NO representation in government and are deprived a national identity.
All in all life ain't all that bad North of the border.
Nor did the Scots, it was a stitch-up by the establishments/parliaments in both England and Scotland at the time (1707). The people did not have a say. Best decision made as it turned out.

VentureGo 27th Jan 2015 10:36

Emirates returned to Dubai
 
This morning's EK35 operated by A6-ECB (777-31H) has diverted back to Dubai base - Replacement a/c is A6-EMF (777-21H ) - which is 18.3 years old.
Now due in to NCL at 17.35 ( 6 Hours late)

Jamesair 27th Jan 2015 10:38

NEW ROUTE DEVELOPMENT FUND
 
It looks like NCL will qualify for the above fund to encourage new routes from regional airports which starts this year and will continue for three years with £56m available over 3 years. £17.5m will be available this year.

Regional airports with pax numbers under 5m qualify and have to make submissions.

Suzeman 27th Jan 2015 11:21


One further thought on the EK route. Apart from the pax load factor I understand its the good cargo loads they get that make this operation well worthwhile.

The cargo on NCL-DXB has blown everyone away by all/most accounts, and has made it's own market based around the flights, particularly NE-Oz.
One thing helping to boost cargo on the EK NCL flight will be the need for MAN freight to be frequently sent elsewhere with a 777 service since the A380 started. As MAN gets a second daily A380 replacing a 777 from next Sunday, watch out for more freight heading your way...

EK77WNCL 27th Jan 2015 11:33

That's why EK needs an A380 900NC (neo combi)

But anyway, A6-EMF is nice to see! I'd have given my right arm to be on that flight today but oh well.

More cargo will definitely be nice to see and hopefully some of that money will go to good use, either to help UA (if they need it) or convince someone to do some new routes.

GrahamK 27th Jan 2015 11:38

Suzeman, presumably a lot of that will have went through BHX as well. Although I believe LHR cargo overspill has been sent on the NCL flight at times. Cargo doesnt mind where it flies from I suppose :}

Oh, and the 77W turned back to DXB due to an apparent cracked windscreen (FO side).


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