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Northbound A1 21st Jan 2013 18:45

Looks a bit busier than down the road :hmm:

CabinCrewe 21st Jan 2013 21:00

Iberworld no longer exists

CentreFix25 21st Jan 2013 21:18

The company does it just renamed and rebranded to Orbest Orizonia Airlines.

G-TYNE 22nd Jan 2013 15:58

Summer 13
 
Looking at various threads on here. Would it be correct to say the basing for this summer will be:

TOM 3x 738
TCX 2x 752 1x 320
LS 4x 733 2x 752
EZY 4x 319

If I've read correctly this would represent a massive blow to the seats on TOM and TCX flights. If I'm incorrect would anyone care to supply the correct info?

SWBKCB 22nd Jan 2013 19:03

4 EZY 319's? Not heard that one, thought it stayed as 2 319's and a 320.

CentreFix25 23rd Jan 2013 06:38

Correct me if I'm wrong but that's -44 seats per plane per flight for Thomson.

Thomas Cook minus an A320 for the entire Summer season.

No Air Transat.

Easy still at 3 as far as I know.

The odd additional flight from none based aircraft, but nowhere near covering the loss. That will be a Summer on Summer decrease in pax by the looks of it.

SWBKCB 23rd Jan 2013 06:49

Isn't there an extra a/c from Jet2?

Looks like a reduction in terms of a/c numbers based, but how does that equate to flights flown?

For example, the leased TCX 320 wasn't busy all week, so the reduction might not be that great if the three based a/c are operated fully plus additional third party and 'W' flights.

CentreFix25 23rd Jan 2013 07:24

I've not seen anything regarding a Jet2 increase, but I've not been looking. That being said there's always Jet2 aircraft standing around somewhere on the airfield doing nothing.

I'm pretty sure the other 3 TCX aircraft were fully utilised last year, so whatever the 4th one did is a loss. Are any of the based aircraft due to operate 'W' flights away from NCL?

I recon on 3-4 additional flights by non-based aircraft, although 2 of them don't start until the end of July.

nb. I don't know if this was the same last year but there seems to be 3 Thomson Ws away from Newcastle during the week (Naples, Reus & Alicante).

We won't know until the Summer season results are published, but it's a reduction from where I'm sitting at the minute.

fl dutchman 23rd Jan 2013 13:01

Summer 2013
 
From what I heard last summer, 3 of the TCX aircraft were quite well utilized but there were sometimes periods of inactivity perhaps longer than would be expected. The 4th aircraft seemed to be used much less than the others also operating several W rotations to other airports.

So its no surprise that there are 3 aircraft this summer (with greater utilization??). It would be interesting to know how many seats are available on TCX flights this summer and add them to the other airlines now used by TCX at NCL this summer and compare them with the number available last summer on the 4 aircraft flying for TCX then. Maybe it will not be a huge reduction. Does anyone have this data?

Obviously TOM will have less seats with the 738s versus the 752.

FlyBe
Being reported on another thread that they are cutting 300 jobs overall, reviewing routes etc. Someone is speculating that NCL and MAN routes would be worst hit.

They do unfortunatley seem to have run down the NCL- LGW route with erratic frequencys. Today again (nothing to do with weather) no early flight just 2 afternoon rotations. Some days just one flight. The dwindling passenger numbers are understandable in the circumstances. Even SOU has had cuts on some days. Of course the Jersey route has competition now from Easyjet. So It will be interesting to see what happens and of course a worrying time for the staff.

OltonPete 23rd Jan 2013 19:00

Brussels Airlines
 
Jet for the summer per this: -

brussels airlines S13 European Operation Changes as of 23JAN13 | Airline Route – Worldwide Airline Route Updates

One GDS site showing the RJ85, however with only one apparently left in service it is highly unlikely.

So a reasonable capacity increase if it is the RJ100.

Pete

VentureGo 23rd Jan 2013 19:45

Newcastle Airport - Wikipedia (AA to JFK from Nov 12th
 
It's appeared again today on Wikipedia Newcastle Airport : American Airlines service to New York JFK commencing November 12th 2013
: (extract):Newcastle Airport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Air France operated by CityJet Paris-Charles de Gaulle
American Airlines New York JFK (Commences November 12 2013)
BH Air Seasonal: Bourgas, Sofia, Varna
British Airways London-Heathrow
Brussels Airlines operated by Flybe Brussels


Not available on AA Booking Tool as direct, but showing codeshare BA flight at extortionate rate (£2,147) - United are showing NCL to EWR via BRU codeshare with Brussels Airlines at £515 rtn (Cheaper than United's direct service from BHX & EDI.
Guess someone either has info on AA service talks or just putting mis-information on Wikipedia.

GAXLN 23rd Jan 2013 22:22

No airline in their right mind would start a transatlantic service in November. I think we can safely assume someone with time on their hands is trying to have some fun. It is about time they grew up.

bigchrisfgb 23rd Jan 2013 23:46

It's fake, the same person who did the last edit (wikipedia) to that also put on that the Emirates route is ending in the summer time.

The first person to do those edits seems to edit plenty of airport wiki pages, almost daily, also they edit a lot of football related pages.

I doubt anyone would have access to that sort of information unless they were high up in command with NCL management or the airlines themselves.

A few days ago I took to twitter to contact NCL and they denied any knowledge of the new routes.

G-TYNE 24th Jan 2013 08:56

What is that airport doing to prevent these losses? Surely the 'economic climate' can't be blamed, as LBA (A similarly sized airport) is seeing new bases from TOM, MON and expansion from LS.

BAladdy 25th Jan 2013 03:00

BE have today announced a two year plan focussed on getting the company back to profitability

Flybe | Corporate | Media | News archive

The announcement states that BE could slash 10% of it's work force as part of the plan. The article states that the majority of the jobs that are expected to go are at Exeter, Manchester and Newcastle.

I am guessing that the possible NCL redundancies are due to the DH4 currently operated by BE for SN that operates ex NCL being transfered to EDI?.

ash666 26th Jan 2013 07:08

I hope NCL read this.
From BBC
"Edinburgh Airport has announced a fund intended to attract operators willing to serve new destinations.

Finance worth £15m annually has been pledged for airlines considering flights from Edinburgh.

The funding will only be handed over once a commitment has been made to a new service.

The airport is hoping to expand its route network to include key destinations in Europe, North America and the Middle East."

CabinCrewe 26th Jan 2013 12:16

Im sure it just means they'll be willing to lose 15M on reducing handling /airport charges etc and cutting their margins even more... Will be interesting to see if it pays off... Cant really see it having a significant impact on NCL.

GrahamK 29th Jan 2013 08:43

EK Dubai Dec 2012
 
Just been working out the average load for Decemeber based on the mix of 77L and the various different capacities of 77W that were used, and it appears that it was a lowly 56.6%. Is Newcastle still losing people to Glasgow and Manchester? Given the number of 3 class a/c that appeared, would it be wise for EK to start selling F?

Jamesair 31st Jan 2013 20:48

DECEMBER PAX
 
December pax figure highlights were:

Brussels.........3,604...+ 8%
Amsterdam....27,752..+ 24% (Easyjet coming onto the route)
Dubai...........14,910..+ 9%
Prague.......... 2418...+ 5%

Aberdeen..... .1923...+ 36%
Belfast Int.....16,078.+ 6%
Exeter............2888..+74%
Isle of Man......305....+65%

Paris CDG.......12,194..- 26% (Easyjet leaving the route)
Dusseldorf......2950.....- 21% (reduction in frequency)
Stavanger......1760..... - 10%
Dublin...........9883...... - 5% (reduction in frequency)

Gatwick........5544...- 17%
Belfast City...2491... - 14%
Birmingham... 564.... - 26%

G-TYNE 31st Jan 2013 21:20

Reading the Airport Fees document on the website today, came across this, is this new, or has the passenger service charge always been charged by the airport?


Charge applying from 1st January 2013:
A Passenger Service Charge of £13.39 per DEPARTING passenger on aircraft to arrival points outside the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man.
A Passenger Service Charge of £8.09 per DEPARTING passenger on aircraft to arrival points within the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man.
http://www.newcastleairport.com/Medi...arges-2013.pdf


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