Highwideandugly,

Yes thats right they did, sure EK know what they are doing,and suppose it can operate with weights suiting the available runway.Be nice for NCL if its a 77W.:)

Nigel

FLYBE

I notice that Hannover is not in the Summer 2012 timetable...looks like another lost route.

Flybe hasn't loaded all of its Summer programme onto the website yet. You can clearly fly NCL to Hanover via Southampton in Summer 2012, but you can book that yet, so they may still have direct flights as well.

Heard a sneaky little rumour that the Monarch A330 might be back as an extra SFB next year, I have no other info though.

I read an article about Jet 2 having had a particularly good Summer at NCL this year but no mention of any further expansion (yet)

Jet2 should make lots of money at NCL as their fares are much higher than from other bases, same for EZY. If the fares weren't so high maybe they would do even better as people wouldn't travel to MAN, LBA, EMA etc to save money so more pax ex-NCL?

Heard today that Ryanair are soon to announce NCL-FAO, no further info known though.

Ryanair to FAO
 

HOPEFULLY NOT!!!
unless they are going to base aircraft at NCL and operate a range of flights and creating more jobs at NCL then i cant see the point....

They will upset both easyjet and jet2 who seem to be working well on the route together....

Cant see why the airport would want to allow Ryanair onto this route. After all in a years time they will drop it......
We have now lost Oslo,Milan to name a few... get a deal for a little while then drop once the low fees end......

Would rather see the airport give a little extra to Jet2 hopefully get a sixth aircraft next summer or give Easyjet a chance on longer routes with a A320 than to let FR in......

BE.... where is all these promised routes from the north east???
We still all waiting.......

any thoughts ??

OK, stupid question time - what do you mean by:

If RYR want to operate the route, what can the airport do to stop them?

SWBKCB "If RYR want to operate the route, what can the airport do to stop them?" Well if RYR wanted to pay full landing fee's and full passenger handling then nothing!!
But no low cost pay this, its all done on 'deals' in fact some airlines are now asking airports to pay them per pax for operating routes!!:rolleyes:

But RYR are an existing customer so will know the going rate - don't think NIA will get away with trying to stop RYR because they have existing operators on the route.

Haven't been on here for a while. Seems I haven't missed much :ugh:

Well said 10 D. I will be very surprised to see Ryanair on this route competing with EZY, LS, TCX and TOM. Can't see the airport upsetting 4 based operators to let Ryanair on the exising route and then move on in 12 months time. All new routes and rates will be well negotiated before an airline announces a route. Especially in this current climate.

Some one mentioned runway extension: dream on. It's never going to happen - no requirement. Except for a double daily EK A380 :ok:

NCL is not going to do anything to upset RYR, it's a-no brainer business decision in these tough times.

If they want to fly the route then NCL won't get in the way.

But customers have a choice. If the filthy pikey paid me to fly, I still wouldn't get on one of his planes. And just to make it clear, I'd only ever fly Ryanair if one of my family was about to die and this was the only way to see them. However, MOL is doing my company a favour by reducing our rates where ever we both fly. We won't pay more than than him. So our airport fees have reduced over the past few years.

PM

Runway extension?
 

That is what I have heard. But this is where airport managers show their lack of understanding about airliners and their operation. After all, most of them are little more than shopping mall landlords and parking concession operators. But returning to the problem. On runway 25, most aircraft at NCL are restricted on the second segment climb. This is because of the higher ground within the splay around the extended centreline of that runway. The splay is considered by measurement from the end of the runway (well TODA actually). So you could well find that no matter what length of runway is built, the weight that can be lifted by an aircraft won't increase by much at all.

PM

Increased v2???

However to have an real increase in take off weight, you would need a substantial increase in rwy length to benefit from the improved climb option.

If you look at the cost versus any benefit, it just makes no sense. Continental operate flights to New York, from Bristol and that rwy is shorter than NCL. Besides within current facilities flights operate to Orlando and the Carribean. What would we be looking at operating with a longer runway??? We are never going to be a long haul airport, nor would I want it to be.

Let's keep operating those flights which keep the airport going. There are already financial issues to be resolved without lumbering it with more debts that just wont't be paid off.

My airline would not be happy having to pay extra fees to finance a development that would not benefit either ourselves or any of the other airlines here.

FPS - I agree with you. That is pure common sense. If the big boys want a longer bit of tarmac, let them pay for it. I also agree that NCL is not suited to be a long-haul airport as well, if for no other reason than the 'traffic' is not sophisticated enough to support a traditional long haul network.

And remember whenever you go through the airport that you are paying for the bonus paid to previous directors for borrowing money in the airport's name. You'll also be paying that for years to come. But the next thing you'll be paying for are the new "strip you stark b*****k naked" scanners and security search area. And I'm sure you'll all be pleased to know that only operators of the same sex as those being scanned will see the results. Quite why I don't know. It's presumably to stop the operators from getting any form of 'satisfaction' from seeing the images. But if you run the logic of that decision to its natural conclusion, you'll have to make sure that none of these operators are gay, just in case they might... But that is not legal! All together now: "The lunatics - have taken over the..."

Never put security in the same sentence as safety and/or common sense.

PM

Long Haul
 

Hi
How is NCL not suited for long haul??
Ncl has done ok in the past on charter routes to dom rep, cancun and orlando....
We even have a daily Dubai which many of you said would be hard to fill daily and some didnt expect it to last long...

Dubai is doing well much better than plan...
We just need to have faith that other long haul routes can be set up and work...

Not going into it but NCL needs the link to the US on a 757..

Ncl needs to grow both medium n long haul routes.
The airport will contiune to grow but slower than planned.

It would be nice to get YYZ back to 2x weekly as per a few years ago giving the northeast people more choice of days to fly!!

H, there's just not the demand for a Westbound scheduled service from NCL, don't let the Summer holiday makers to Florida make you think there is.

Pulling a route even before it's started (also in better economical times) is a good indicator. The availability of Westbound flights from MAN, EDI and GLA is also a factor. You also can't gat a pallet in the hold of a 757 - also a factor, but you can in the Emirates A330 (thats a big reason why Dubai works).

We might technically not be in recession, but it's not good, and won't be for a good few years - if your running a business it's just not worth the risk.

Over the last couple of years most airports have shown a drop in passenger numbers. While they all would love to grow, i'm sure most would be happy to just stand still.

The Westbound Toronto only survived by the skin of its teeth last year, and is only operating now with half-a-plane load shared with Exeter. It'll be interesting to see what happens to the route when the A310 fleet is gone.

I'm just trying to think what new route would work out of NCL, and it it were my money would I take a risk on it, and I can't. I'd keep my money because I can't see it making a decent enough return on anything Ex-NCL.

We even have a daily Dubai which many of you said would be hard to fill daily and some didnt expect it to last long...

Dubai is doing well much better than plan...

Mmm big drop last month apparently due to "wrong type of aircraft" and then much lower figures and lowest percentage increase compared to other UK station totals this month (Sept figures).... I suspect its doing fine. Much better might be pushing it a bit. I suspect the long awaited 777 is a little way off.