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LGS6753 3rd Oct 2008 18:36

Recession impact on UK airports
 
The UK is quickly entering a recession according to various analysts. So what will the impact be on the various airports - my starter for 10:

Heathrow - benefit from slot scarcity and transfers of routes from Gatwick:ok:
Gatwick - loss of routes to LHR, reductions in charter market, especially demise of XL:(
Stansted - loss of FR and EZY volumes, high fees will restrict new operators:(
City - impact of financial cutbacks v slot scarcity:confused:
Luton - benefit from Stansted high costs. Destination list still growing. Not much charter traffic left to lose:ok:
Bristol - loss of XL against the best EZY regional base:confused:
Bournemouth - could buck the trend due to affluence of catchment area and interest from FR/EZY:ok:
Cardiff - loss of charter traffic and marginal chance of new loco operations:(
Birmingham - loss of charter traffic and full service cutbacks v Ryanair base building:confused:
Coventry - in severe danger of losing all traffic:eek:
EMA - loss of charter traffic, EZY base weak, FR base stronger, no growth from BMI. On balance:(
Doncaster - charter traffic down, not much else to rely on.:(
Leeds - Jet2 diversifying. Possible alternative destination in north to Manchester, eg PIA. Full service cutbacks:confused:
Manchester - very diversified but prone to charter decline. Possible increases from EZY and FR.:confused:
Liverpool - exposed to growth of FR and EZY at MAN. No new operators likely.:(
Blackpool - marginal even in the good times.
Teesside - nothing new, so gentle decline likely
Newcastle - charter traffic will reduce. Loco fairly bouyant.

I don't know enough about Scotland & N Ireland to comment.
I'd be interested to hear other people's perspectives. The views above are purely personal.

BHX5DME 3rd Oct 2008 19:46

UK Airports - Performance
 
I would agree with your comments for each airport, looking at things from a statistics point of view, pax total for 12m ending 31.07.08:-

Heathrow - 67,879,939 up 1.24% (record was 68,180,945 - 12m end Feb 2008)

Gatwick - 35,458,009 up 2.49% (record was 35,601,289 - 12m end Mar 2008)

Stansted - 23,122,529 down 2.77% (record was 24,037,747 - 12m end October 2007)

Manchester - 21,952,703 down 1.01% (record was 22,578,836 - 12m end July 2006)

Luton - 10,237,686 up 6.19% (record now)

Birmingham - 9,533,145 up 4.35% (record now)

Edinburgh - 9,140,468 up 3.66% (record was 9,152,395 - 12m end June 2008)

Glasgow - 8,645,579 down 2.30% (record was 8,924,427- 12m end May 2007)

Bristol - 6,281,780 up 8.09% (record now)

East Midlands - 5,688,638 up 9.93% (record now)

These figures bear out that East Mids, Bristol, Luton, Birmingham are still growing.

Manchester peaked over 2 years ago.

Lets see what happens over the Winter

BHX5DME

embraernotworthy 3rd Oct 2008 19:51

Any views on Exeter, Plymouth, Southampton or Newquay??

LGS6753 3rd Oct 2008 20:09

Exeter and Southampton are so closely linked to the strategy and fortunes of one airline (flybe) that makes them difficult to read. Both benefit from relatively affluent catchment areas, so any decline will probably be modest, unless something happens to FlyBe (which does appear fairly robust at present).:confused:
Plymouth has already lost the Air Wales routes, and is intricately involved with Air Southwest - including common ownership. If ASW prosper, so will PLH, but the opposite applies too.:confused:
As for NQY, I think some recent successes have been symptomatic of the froth at the top of the boom, and will reverse. BA have already pulled out, but I see Jet2 are planning flights. Not sure whether these will work.:(

john2408 3rd Oct 2008 20:29

Please don;t forget Humberside,soon to have a new owner.

Buster the Bear 3rd Oct 2008 21:01

I would add to this thread that those airports that are paying their incumbent airlines to fly from them with 'rich' incentives are going to be massacred if those airline fail or leave. Eu Jet, remember them? Plane Station, remember them?

Nice to see Luton at Number 5. Should have been there years ago, but the BAA was allowed to use profits from Heathrow to expand an Essex airport then offer ridiculous subsidies to airlines. Now the incentives are over, Luton wins and Stansted loses.

Over the next 5-10 years, Stansted will win back operators if it is sold off and more incentives are then on the table to justify runway 2.

Sadly with a local council running Luton indirectly, future growth should there be a sell off at Stansted, will remain in Essex.

Regional airports will survive if the need to trade and relax continues.

As I have said many a time, credit card balances and the buy now - pay on the 'never never' threaten the most robust airport and airline.

The ' sling it on the mortgage culture ' is now over, folk have to pay off their debts in an economy of financial uncertainly and heavily rising basics like food and fuel.

Customer service will have to return to our industry once more to entice travellers.

I was told today that a large percentage of adults, for whatever reason, owe more than a years wages in unsecured debt. How the heck are they ever going to pay it off? These are the folk that fly regularly!

Next year will be nasty, I predict a third quarter from hell. hopefully Buster is proved incorrect, but..........?

Outoftheblue22 3rd Oct 2008 21:44

LGS6753: To be fair, Air Wales stopped flying from Plymouth a few years back when they ceased to exist, and nothing to do with current economic conditions. PLH actually isn't doing bad for a small airport - pax numbers up by 31% in June as a result of new ASW services. So the regional picture isn't all bad!

STATSMAN 4th Oct 2008 12:33

Does anybody have figures for Leeds/Bradford? Almost a one airline airport by passenger numbers.

Statsman

robo283 4th Oct 2008 13:39

July 08 terminal and transfer pax 337748 (of wich 1658 were transit pax). This is up 5% on July 07.:ok:

Haven't had time to look at the year to date yet.

GROUNDHOG 4th Oct 2008 15:32

LGS6753 - Think you are spot on re PLH and NQY, Exeter is claiming its best ever August with ever increasing numbers so things looking good there.

pug 4th Oct 2008 15:53


Please don;t forget Humberside,soon to have a new owner.
The sale probably couldnt come at a worse time. MAG appear to be doing nothing to replace lost charter routes, doesnt look good to any potential bidder...

befree 4th Oct 2008 17:10

I think the biggest winner will be Luton. BHX will look good in short term but ryanair will in effect replace other carriers in the longer term so that they are worst off. Small airports are going to go under.

robo283 4th Oct 2008 17:45

Has any airport actually 'gone under'? They are key economic locations of strategic importance. In the current climate some might be sold to other management companies or even nationalised but I can't see padlocks going on any gates:bored:

tornadoken 5th Oct 2008 08:47

Has any airport actually 'gone under'? Sheffield City, but maybe that was always something of a wheeze, to lead to non-Aero use. Many closures for a nearby better - Blackbushe/Bovingdon/Dunsfold/Langley/civil-Northolt (for LHR), Croydon (LGW), Burnaston (EMA), East Fortune (Turnhouse), Nutts Corner (Aldergrove), Renfrew (Abbotsinch), Whitchurch (Lulsgate). r283 is right, in that if commercial investors pull out of LPL, SEN...the Local Authority will be obliged to takeover and then embark on the glacial Planning process to find revenue-positive useage. That might be to build all over it - Baginton, Finningley, Middleton-St.George, Rochford (oldie!) most vulnerable, due in part to accessible alternatives.

befree 5th Oct 2008 09:14

nationalised big airports would happen as they are worth something. The problem ones are the likes of Coventry that are not far from profitable and well connected airports like BHX. As we get less airlines we may lose 2-3 of the small airports as passenger airports.

Daza 5th Oct 2008 09:56

Recession impact on UK airports
 
Airports which rely upon one or two carriers could be at risk. Airports with a wide variety of carriers legacy,charter and low fares will be the winners in the long term.
Daza

Powerjet1 11th Oct 2008 06:09

FT.com / By sector - Passenger numbers fall sharply at UK airports

robo283 11th Oct 2008 10:15

Funny how it headlines 'UK airports' when in fact it refers to BAA. What about the vast majority of airports which aren't BAA?:confused:

CabinCrewe 11th Oct 2008 10:37

And you honestly expect them to be any different and immune to the decline elsewhere....?:rolleyes:

Falcon666 11th Oct 2008 10:41

:DThink you will find they are doing ok at the moment. BHX ,LTN ,BRS ,EMA are holding up well. but doubt it will last through the winter.

I know they were probably just trying to show a " Trend" forming, but you do get the "Whole world rotates around BAA" feeling

But not for long !!!:D:D:ok::D:D


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