Not suprised having come through T1 arrivals this morning ........what a :mad: hell hole.
Come on now ...finger -out and get the bloody place up to world class standards


What do the signs proclaim......... The T1 Experience.........No :mad:

BA Hanger
 

What's going on in BA'S old hanger, anybody know?

Lights were on and the doors were open but couldn't see anything else.

Fuel Boy

Can someone explain to me why at T1 Arrivals you collect your luggage, you then have a circuitous passageway which at ots narrowest is about 1.5m wide, past a secutiy guard who seems to be doing nothing, through some non-operational automatic doors/varriers which are ridiculously narrow, then another zig zag through a shop to pass through automatic doors which today only one set out of three were working.


I agree, that the experience of arriving at T1 is hideous.

And Emirates want to put their pasengers through this from 1st May? Crazy.

There is a really daft rumour knocking about the ramp that the BA New York service will return as a seasonal summer schedule. :rolleyes:

My mate just traveled to NY on Continental and it was overbooked in both directions. Cant make money MAN-New York?????????

Continental have a massive hub in NewYork at Newark. BA don't hence only offer a point to point against an airline with many more connections on into the US. So yes, as you rightly say.
Also you must learn pprune mantra 1.01
"Bums on seat mean squat if the yield is poor."

The problem with the BA MAN-JFK flight was that BA did not utilise the AA flights from the airport.

If they had codeshares on domestic flights with AA in the States, then the MAN-JFK flight would offer a lot more connections across America.

e.g) Travelling from MAN to MIA with BA. Search it on the website and I guarantee you would have gotten MAN-LHR-MIA whereas it could have been MAN-JFK-MIA with BA/AA.

Vuelo

The guard is there to protect the airside/landside boundary from people who may have snuck into the corridor from arrivals with the intention of getting airside.

I agree the corridor is difficult, especially with a laden trolley. I gather some passengers like an extra opportunity to shop, even though it's outside the HMRC controlled zone, so is landside and offers no duty/tax free discounts.

Apparently it does quite well, which surprises me.

BA couldn't be bothered to codeshare with AA when AA ran their MIA service. Perhaps it was because the MAN transfer pax were propping up a LHR service?

Memo to skipness, (MUFC might not know) it was not a point to point route:

"From 1 September 2003, British Airways began introducing over one hundred new codeshare destinations to its network following the finalisation of our codeshare agreement with American Airlines.

British Airways' flight codes have been placed on American Airlines' flights, beyond BA's current US destination cities to points in the US, Canada, Latin America and Caribbean meaning that there are a significant number of new routes bookable directly through ba.com."

Care to rewrite history? Just face it, BA wanted rid of the route and adopted peculiar accounting practices to make sure it went.

For the avoidance of doubt I agree that BA wanted to dump the route. You are right, they would much prefer their MIA passengers over Heathrow.
There has always been an internal battle within BA that anything outside of Heathrow is diluting the "core" business of feeding long haul and Europe.

BA are gone where there is a market they will be replaced. People seem to be taking this personally. I seem to remember most of those code shares were ex Heathrow. Not every BA flight is a code share remember, and the BA1503 was not pushed internally within BA.
The faction that saw no future in long haul from Manchester won the day.

A question I must ask any of you Man insiders is:

How much retail revenue has been lost by the new security measures at Manchester.

Surely friends and family and enthusiasts must have contributed a huge amount to the coffers in the shops and T1 / 2 food halls.

It must have served imeasurable PR to the airport just from Sunday afternoon families etc.

We seem to have lost the welcoming atmosphere that is essential in this sector

It certainly now seems to be 'right youve dropped off your passengers now :mad: off


Please explain

Don't forget the land side staff who work in T1.
I used to spend a fortune in Boots, Smiths & the staff shop in T1. Since the terminal boundary changes I spend zilch at the airport, as we dont get time to get to T1 arrivals.
It's their loss.Likewise people seeing off pax is another loss.

Lastly, its time to give up on the BA JFK post mortem. They've gone. Good ridance too.

Now that KLM are to start a 3 x daily Liverpool-AMS service (from March 09), maybe EZY might wanna mussle in the MAN-AMS ? , although Baby have got their fingers in that one.

I dont think its worth EZY moving in on the MAN/AMS route in the current climate, there would be much more worthy destinations.

The reason for the LPL/AMS KL service is merely to allow proper interlining. At the moment, LPL longhaul traffic is disipated through many routes, either train to the London airports, or less popularly through BHX and GLA. The majority however will travel to MAN and some of these will route MAN/LHR or LGW to wherever, but this is a more major hassle. Some use the LOCO from LPL to interline elsewhere. (MAD is particularly helpful (other than terminal wise) to South America), but you have the hassle of rechecking in, although by doing this you can save considerably on tax.

BA, in echoes of the MAN/JFK route, assumes that all LPL longhaul traffic merely travels to MAN to use the BA shuttle to LHR. That is just as mistaken viewpoint as assuming that all MAN originating traffic will remain loyal to BA and interline through LHR/LGW. MAN has many other choices available. BA is a behemoth unable to adapt to changeable market conditions or demographics, particularly if outside of London. Yet it appears to be putting in a lot of resources for a short event in 2012.

KLM has merely taken the good business opportunity to concentrate the majority of LPL longhaul traffic directly through its hub in AMS, which as a single terminal airport is particularly good for interlining.

I dont think this will be a major problem for traffic on the MAN/AMS route, or the EZY service from LPL to AMS

EZY will never operate MAN AMS, why would they?! WW, KL from MAN and shortly LPL, U2 already from LPL, LS from LBA....it would be a waste of time.

Their next routes will be more longer haul European destination, in my view Athens, the Baltics capitals or possibly Bucharest.

Also look out for more ZB routes this summer, they have confirmed they are to take delivery of two more A321s to their Manchester base in the Spring of 2009.

Amsterdam
 

Yes, KLM and BMI Baby on the MAN-AMS route for 2009. But recall also that FLYBE announced afew weeks ago that they intended to launch services on this route in Spring 2009. I'm not sure whether the subsequent BMI Baby announcement shortly afterwards has altered those plans, but if not then there will be alot of capacity on the route. I would like to see profitable, sustainable service on this (and all) routes, not carnage with casualties at seasons' end. So I would respectfully agree that EZY would be well advised to avoid this particular bunfight and look to historically well-supported MAN short-haul routes which have been left unserved or barely served as a result of changes over the last couple of years.

SHED.

P.S. Mr A Tis - BA? Who are they? No sign of 'em on my radar! Only 'proper' airlines up here, you know. Agree with you completely.

Shed,
What about the "Shuttles"? They have BA flt nos.....:E

*** CHILDISH ANTI BA RANT ALERT ***

If I ran MAN I would make life untenable for the BA Shuttles, with the aim of kicking them out full stop ASAP - both LHR & LGW - and I dont care if 2 million or more passengers per annum would be lost as a result.

That would annoy BA to death with all their ex-shuttle passengers either having using services from MAN, or transiting thru Europe on LH/AF/KL instead. Lets see how important MANs passengers really are when they dont connect thru LHR - see if BA cares then !

See I told you it was childish, but it would feel ohhhh so good.

Anyone got the power out there to quadruple their landing fees ???

Heraklion announced with Jet2 for S09. An extra Dalaman on a Friday also added and Sharm el Sheikh will continue through Summer 09.

eggc


So how would I get to work :confused::{:{

childish and irrational
 

egcc - I don't understand the obsession with BA. BA are one of a multitude of airlines offering onward connections via their hub; as the example of journey times on MAN - Hong Kong routings below shows. If you hate BA service - fine. If you don't like terminal 5 - fine. If its too expensive or the journey is too long - that's fine too. But to *single* BA out as an airline that routes you via a hub is irrational when that's what all of their peer group too. BA are entirely consistent with the rest of their peer group in respect of how they serve MAN. If you are desperate to get rid of BA because they feed their hub, you should be desperate to get rid of everyone else that does too.

Manchester - Hong Kong via....

HEL 13h:30m
AMS 14:00
CDG 14:30
ZRG 14:35
LHR (BA) 14:50
MUC 16:25
LHR (*A) 16:25
DXB 16:55
DOH 21:40