Birdscarer - 3 airlines from the UK have had reports of problems onboard since Aug 07 (I believe). I will not name all three but we all know that Flybe is one of them with the Bae 146s. BA CityFlyer (not low cost) have the same problem

SOME crew will moan about anything to get away from working. We have even seen crew not report for duty because their Hamster died or they got sun burnt from the sun bed!! It would seem to me that some crew just want to gain negative publicity (for the airline)

All Bae 146s have a good track record really even with the few isolated incidents.

Anyway I have a quick query which I hope someone will be able to answer.......does anyone know how long the E195 delivery delays are?? I know that some of the aircraft have had a few months delay but I want to find out for certain. Thank you

Bloody slackers! :uhoh:
Seriously though this is a concern. The BBC don't mention other airlines and it may be just unfortunate that they have singled FlyBe out, but thats the same as saying "Sorry I ran over you cat but I passed two more on the road on the way here!" It needs to be sorted out (and I dont mean wait until January when they are being sold!)

The 2 crew mentioned in that article could never in a million years be described as slackers. Please don't lump them in with some of the moaning old gits that BHX had forced upon them after the BACon merger.

Fumes
 

Maude Charlee or anyone else in flybe

From a post in "Rumour and News" (I heard it from another forum),
do you know if it was "fumes" on the BHX - MXP that made the
aircraft to return shortly after take off on Thursday?

It was a 145 this time but local fire crews were called and at least
one hospital was put on stand-by (standard procedure?) per the post
in "Rumour & News".

Pete

Birdscarer - I think, for once, I am in agreement with your post and don't feel the need to argue :) you make a valid point and I am sure this will be at the top of Flybe's agenda now that the media are involved.

I believe one of the other airlines (whilst not naming) use B737s (not new ones) but you are quite right, Flybe have been singled out and I am sure something will be said next week.

Oltonpete - I am not aware that the E145 have had any fume problems although I may be wrong. I will try and find out.....

More than oil leaks?
 

Now there was I thinking cabin fumes were a 146 design feature!
More to the point various threads would indicate Flybe have someone very keen to discredit their employer. Gripes about fumes (valid, but unique to Flybe?). Gripes about treatment of staff, timekeeping, reliability etc.
My only contact with Flybe/Bacon & BA is as SLF. As such BA are more reliable (just) and Flybe more pleasant (lots).
Perhaps if they (Flybe) didn’t keep their kit on fogbound islands things might improve. :E

ADC2604
Speaking from personal experience (and that wasn't pleasant), the 145's have had quite a few fume problems in the past - one a/c ended up having an engine change to stop the re-occurring problem.
According to BALPA the 146, 757 & 145 are the a/c that cause the most problems although it has been known on other types.

OldBristolFreighter - love your post :D although what does SLF stand for?

FlyboyUK - I see - I have never flown on a E145 so thanks for confirming.....in a nutshell then - roll on the day where all 146s and E145 have been disposed of ??

Old Bristol Freighter,

Not sure which fog bound islands you mean, but one of the reasons for basing aircraft there is so you can operate early morning departures that business pax want. If you can't get in then you can't get out again, but as take-off minima are normally lower than landing minima then with a based aircraft you can depart, and hopefully the visibility will improve to allow you to get back a few hours later.

That is if you can get in the evening before and end up not where you are expecting lol
Ian

At Cardiff last week a BA cityflyer 146 made an emergency problem with smell of fumes coming from the cabin.

It was only a week before that a Flybe 146 (Manssion logo) was grounded at CWL due to smell of fumes in the cabin (no emergency this time).

ADC - SLF = Self Loading Freight.

OltonPete - Why would Milan have to be operated by the 195?

Mxp - 195/q400
 

flybe.com

Nothing physically stopping the Q400 but from memory if you check the
pprune archives re the posts on the old Bergamo route I would find it surprising by some of the comments (if true) made at the time.

I believe it was to do with possibly emergency descent over the alps and
the oxygen supply on board.

Sorry I have no idea of the specifics but someone on here will explain.

Other than that would businessmen want there bones rattled for two
hours on a Q400? I know they do on the SAS Q400's but most of the
BHX services are changing to MD's in 2008 and they don't fly over many mountains.

Personally two hours on a Q400 for me would be fine, as I really enjoyed
my flight but that is just my opinion.

Pete

OltonPete - :ok:

BHD based Flybe Pilots
 

Hi guys, if you are based at BHD and a flybe pilot, could you send me a pvt message?? thanks mc

Flybe skippers
 

Could anybody tell me the average age of the skippers?

The only reason I ask is because, everytime I look out the window on my wonderful scarebus I see two year olds completing walk rounds dressed up as skippers!!!

Also I must compliment BE on their ontime performance, no hold on it was BD regional oops:ugh:.

to maude charlee
 

And there was me thinking you'd 'rescued' us!!

When are you going to let it drop:ugh:

First of all Ms Dolly Parton,

it is Capt. Muade Charlee to you son. Secondly drop what? It is well known that they have very young capt's, inexperienced who shouldn't be in command at all.

If they hadn't have messed up with the BACON merger we wouldn't have to be at this point. It amazes me they haven't lost their AOC yet!!!

You must be one of them two year old cadet's with the coveted four gold stripes?

airbus-commander - when are you and the others going to stop this childish bickering.......Flybe are a good airline despite what you think.

Yes the crew are younger but I fail to see what age has to do with it. They have to complete the same training as anyone else.

And with regards to performance, things are getting back on track. There have been a number of days recently where almost all 500 flights have operated early and no cancellations at all. I don't think any airline can be any better really.......I don't know one airline that operates every single flight to the second.

So please give it a rest.....we are mature adults on here who prefer to have serious discussion and not silly little digs.

does anyone know how long the E195 delivery delays are??

I think the name airbus - commander says a lot.

Four rings on the pyjama sleeves and a big watch!!:rolleyes:

I knew a FlyBe pilot during my time at Exeter. The Cabin crew started to boycott his flights as they were a bit fed up with filling his mug with warm milk from the jigger pots!



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...gaz/AE-AAP.jpg

Very amusing picture there. Thinking I should get those for my children for halloween!

The point I'am making is that I like alot of other experienced pilots have thousands upon thousands hours flying. It is not justifiable to say they do the same training. You can be the best trained pilot, doesn't mean that you know how to utilise and draw on the experience that must be earned in the right hand seat.

For example, An eighteen year old gets their full license. Now a great & graceful driver like myself 22+yrs experience is almost of the same standard and experience in how to judge decisions? (Not that I'am comparing people who can drive to pilots in command)

Now how many people here think that flying onboard a flight where there is possibly 5000 hours between Capt and FO? Or onboard with an experienced crew with possibly 25,000 hours between Capt and FO?

Childish digs? Erm the past two are people who can't provide a reasonable argument as to why I shouldn't express a concearn about young inexperienced captains!!!

ADC when was this? As it is not a valid point to say nearly 500 flights went on time for the past few days . Also it must be consistent not just a wee one off.

Last but not least, I'am willing to bet my months pay that these so called Captains, when they move to a better airline will almost certainly lose command and have to start from scratch.:ugh:

Mate, if you're going to pose a question in an argument, at least make some bloody sense.

Think what? :ugh:

Secondly, of course a captain "so-called" or otherwise will likely lose his command. DEC schemes in the UK are usually recruitment exceptions done with the acquiescence of Balpa to allow for growth where current company experience does not allow.

I know Captains with less than 18 months in the left gain a DEC at another outfit and I also know of Captains with several years left seat experience go to another company in the right seat.

Ah what a great day today in the flybe cabin.
All passengers with their newspapers open at the articles reporting the 'gas chamber' stylee 146 and seeking reassurance from us that they were going to survive their flight. Still at least it stopped them grumbling about re mortgaging their homes to pay for a cup of tea or bottled water.

As for small children working the flightdeck well you used to know when you were getting old when policemen looked young, now its clearly captains, and lets not forget some cabin crew are just teenagers. Jealous moi? No i am just old and tired too many wrinkles hey maybe thats what the poisonous fumes are for to kill off us oldies :eek:

From the mouth (or fingers) of airbus-commander
 

:D:D:D:D:=

Well this thread is proving good for a chuckle or two. Keep it up chaps. :}

Airbus Commander,
I bet a pound for a penny your the great Airbus Aviator, who when going to BHD squeals over the radio like a spoilt child whenever Scottish have the damned cheek to slow you down for a 146 infront. God forbid if its a Dash 8!!! Shock, dont they know who we are!!! Clear the skys the master race is comming........B@ll@X. Bet you aint so gobby in Heathrows Airspace.


So much for your advancing years and trillions of hours...... where is your professionalism.

Mad Bob
 

You've cracked it in one! I hate those flying gas chambers:}

They should tell them to hold and let us show them magic by seeing a real jetliner flying the ILS

I sometimes think that when we taxi past and their crews are looking at us in awe that they might one day finally be allowed to operate on a real aircraft and for a real airline.:E

FE Bob, possibly you will get the chance to fly an Airbus (real plane)

FE - Flight Engineer/First Officer because of the amount of times your lot decide to go tech:ugh:

Yes i remeber looking at your airbus in awe at BHD, as it tootled along the taxi way with its hold door open :bored: Its a good job the guys in the gas chamber hadnt had a whole days exposure or some dodery old airbus command... er captain could have lost his zimmer;)

Anyone for some popcorn :p. This better than most movies!

Would Airbus Commander be the same guy that complained about ATC in BHD being unprofessional in their R/T discipline, but then is all sweetness and light when he talks to them on the R/T?

Mr Jones,

I have never complained about the R/T at BHD. Far from it actually! My beef is only with Flybe due to the age of the Captains. I don't think it is safe and never will, but people on here think that BE are the pinnacle of commercial aviation and still haven't proven to me that it is better having a captain with very little experience than a captain with 20,000+ hours?

Dear Mr Airbus, sorry Dear Mr Airbus SIR,
From what I am reading on here, it seems to me that it is you that
needs to prove to the rest of us not the other way round.

Was it not a old captin who thought he was better and wiser than
his fellow flight deck who caused the deaths of hundreds of pax
in TFN so many years ago, funny but you dont seem very approachable
but then again it might just be how your coming across on here.

Oh god, I will shortly be flying with this guy, I hope he doesn't treat his 20yo Flight Supervisors with such scorn:oh:

Regards

Mike

Unfortunately,

I think you'll find that he also treats his co-pilots with complete scorn if they "question his authority" (read his previous posts).
Captains with no CRM skills such as he (if he really is one) are a danger to all crews if he treats crews this way.
Watch out and file those ASRs and CHIRP reports if he does this to you.

Older people do have more experience :) but can also become
complacent :(.

Some crashes have also been caused by a large gulf in age between pilot and first officer, where the latter feels he/she dare not contradict the former.

The Airbus is for girls, poofy lavender scent through the air vents.. 146 thats for Blokes...cant beat a good lungful of organophosphates to get you going in the morning. :ok:

mad_bob - Love it - very funny :D

Is "airbus commander" just winding people up ?

As far as I know Flybe have never had a hull loss incident leading to any passenger fatality, or indeed a hull loss incident full stop. I guess he is refering to dash 8 crews and it is interesting to note that the most significant incident to date on a flybe Q400, leading to a full evacuation at LBA was dealt with in an exemplary manner (if that is spelt correctly) by a crew whose captain had 4,150 hours TT, so possibly about 5,000 hrs combined experience on the flight deck.

Obviously I don't know which airline Airbus Commander flies his airbus into BHD for so cannot comment on their operation. But to put hours in the flight deck into perspective, with a similar (20yrs +) of flying experience, every time I drive up the M1 past the EMA approach lights I cant help wondering what it must have felt like when a crew with 16,360 hours between them finally realised that it was to late to restart the good engine. And everytime I think "there but for the grace of God..." and remind myself that with experience and familiarity can also come complacency.

I believe airbus commander actually flies for that particular airline as well!!