Not sure a 195 has actually operated GCI - LGW yet.

Will it Happen for Guernsey
 

Is there still some doubt about the EMB195 operating in and out of Guernsey? We have heard Embrear have done there figures but has it got the seal of approval from you know who?

Don't know haven't heard anymore.

I agree, however, I hear on the grapevine that BA are pulling off the JER-LGW route.

As far as GCI goes it'll be there next year apparently...but for how long!

New routes
 

i must be missing something, iv just tried a dummy booking NQY-IOM-NQY and got the price of £219.98!!!! that works out hell of an expensive for an hour and a quarter sector on a Q400 !!

Supply and demand - the route is predominantly charter meaning that effectively the flight is already booked up and so at present only higher fares are available direct from Flybe -check a travel agency rate but you may have to book a full holiday

Lol its a new route!!!! Should be happy at that really

Like JobsaGoodun has said its primarily a charter flight.

"Training Purposes"
 

I note that the FlyBe Customer Call Centre was closed "for training purposes" between 1 and 2pm on Wednesday 19th December.

What type of training was undertaken

- mince pie consumption?
- Having-a-small-sherry-with-the-MD projects?
- photocopying boobs techniques?
- snogging her from Personnel in the broom cupboard (advanced)?

Anyone care to spill the beans? Hope it was a good party (sorry, training course) anyway!:ok:

...and if it was, good luck to them, and I hope the party went well.

Happy New Year to all at Flybe!

Would everyone join me in congratulating LGS6753 for noticing, 8/9 days afterwards, that the Flybe Call Center was closed for a whole hour :D Stop everything and get it in the papers!

Oh and FYI - there was no Christmas Party in the Call Center, it was held at the Exeter University.............

I would have thought an hours closure would go unnoticed:)

Does anyone know how many Q400's Flybe will have once all orders (and options if necessary) are delivered.

I note that the eco-friendly ones (G-ECO_) have started arriving.

Eco-friendly? :yuk:


We really do have problems when an airline feels the need to describe it's aircraft as 'eco-friendly'. PC and Green politics have a lot to answer for:ugh:



S78

The chairmans statement from November indicates 60 Q400's when the EMB145 substitution programme is completed in 2009, plus 5 more firm orders for growth, making 65 in total.

http://www.flybe.com/pdf/chairmans_statement2.pdf

I'm sure there are more options out there too, but I can't find any mention of these. Jethro's UK airline fleets shows 15 options.

S78 - not able to answer the question then :hmm:

Tonyq - Ahh thanks for that, wow thats quite a few Q400s in our skies then. I hope they increase their orders to E195's at some point as they are great aircraft to fly.....

ADC2604 - the same document shows 16 firm orders for EMB195's, giving a post integration fleet of 76 a/c.

Hopefully, by the time they are all delivered, we'll have one based here in IOM for the LGW service. We will shortly be the only Q400 route to Gatwick, once they get 195's on Guernsey and Inverness.

ADC......"S78 - not able to answer the question then"

Rich coming from you!!

I asked in you November

"As an aside ...what is your experience with the day to day flying/controlling of these aircraft?."


Still waiting!!

No E195 currently planned for IOM, and it would appear that the proposed GCI 195 has been torpedoed due to the inadequate load-bearing capability of the runway which would limit operations to 39.5 tons as I understand the situation.

Terrible waste of a very capable aeroplane running relatively low-level, short routes.

"...........it would appear that the proposed GCI 195 has been torpedoed due to the inadequate load-bearing capability of the runway............"


That may well explain why the JER based 195 does JER-LGW-IOM-LGW-JER, while an IOM based Q400 does IOM-LGW-JER-GCI-LGW, each Saturday of the winter schedules. It's not about bringing the 195 to the IOM, rather keeping it away from GCI !

Yes or No to the 195
 

Could any one confirm this, the next three 195s are for, Inverness,Guernsey and the Isle of Man?
The Inverness aircraft might have been delivered by now?
There is a rumour that Guernsey are due to get theres in February?
Will Guernsey be getting one or not?
Will Guernsey end up as a TWO DASH Q400 based on the Island?
We have heard Embraer have done there homework on the subject and the aircraft can operate in and out of the Guernsey runway?
Guernsey do need a JET service to compete with the other operator on the Gatiwck route if they are going to win the battle on routes where there is more than one operator.

I too have heard from many sources thats the GCI states have put a hold on improving the runway, so i doubt that the 195 will be based there for a while.

Also if like BE have said that all 146s will be gone by Feb 08 then the only option would be a 2 Q400 op.:rolleyes:


Although it would only be untill the fleet has been replaced but can the 145 operate into GCI??? Maybe the only way to preserve(slightly prolong inevitable) scheduled jet service to the island :confused:

Here's confirmation for you.

INV. YES 195. definitely, as the schedule calls for the crews to be mostly through their 195 conversion courses right now and Contract pilots are up there operating the 146. G-OINV I think as well.

IOM. No. definitely not. Absolutely totally not. Not this week anyway. The Summer schedule shows a lot of extra seats on the London routes and with this increased frequency. spreading the loads over more flights allows more seats to be made available and the Q400 means the cost of these is minimal, so a lot of low fares to stimulate demand. Put a 195 on and the extra costs, seating and no improvement in freqency just doesn't make sense.

When you think about the economics of the Q400 over the 146 we used to have, it's a no-brainer, the Q400 is a real winner in almost every regard. (except smooth landings and we're getting there too!)

GUR? dunno. Ask me one on sport.

I wouldn't have thought that BE would have two different sets of crew based at an airport. Surely, with only 2/3 planes, cost wise it would be better to only have one type? Obviously, if the demand is there then maybe it is different.

Proposed 195 basing for summer 08:

Belfast 2
Birmingham 2
Exeter 2
Southampton 3
Inverness 1
Jersey 1
Manchester 1
Guernsey 1 (now potentially no longer happening)

My money would be the GCI aircraft goes to either Brum or Manch.

Dont forget the owne of Guernsey airport also owns Aurigny so dont expect FlyBe to get too much help bringing in a better plane than Aurignys ATRs onto lGW. Last thing GCI wants to see is a big FlyBe success there:bored:

Spot on. Then again the Q400 is somewhat more modern than the ATR,s but not so the punters would notice.

I reckon said 195 will be in MAN very soon.

Re the 195 at Guernsey,
the performance for 195 operations from GUR has been published, however I understand that the State at GUR have imposed the >40T limit to protect Aurigny operations, the reason given is runway condition; FlyBe Guernsey based 195 crews had already commenced conversion training.

" FlyBe Guernsey based 195 crews had already commenced conversion training. "

Not true i'm afraid. courses might have been allocated but have not yet commenced.

Hi, does anybody no if Flybe are going to use there 12 options that they have on the 195's, i've flown on one of them and from a passenger point of view they are a great aircraft to fly on!!

EMB 195 options
 

The link to the Chairman's statement in reply 407 gives details of 16 E195's as being required to complete the BA Connect aircraft substitution programme during 2008/9.

The other 12 are mentioned as still being options, along with another 15 Q400's, to support possible expansion of operations, post substitution.

Thankyou for your response. wasn't it 14 firm orders?

195s
 

It was originally but was changed to 16, i imagine, as said above, due to the BACon merger

145 a NO for GCI
 

During the Brymon and Citiexpress days the 145's were prohibitted from operating or diverting to GCI. It happened once and the only way of getting the aircraft out was empty.

Are we likely to see any further new routes for S08?

Based on the story on Channel TV us who live on Guernsey will be without a jet service to Gatwick come the end of March!

http://www5.channelonline.tv/news/te...12742&zoneid=1


Guernsey's runway no longer up to the job

There's pressure on Guernsey States to get the Island's runway back in its full operational condition.

Flybe want to introduce new aircraft on its Guernsey routes. But the airline says the airport isn't up to the job because the runway can't take the weight - and it'll be more than a year until it can.

The problem is Flybe want to introduce their new Embraer jets... In theory they should be able to use the runway without any problem at all. But the problem is, they can't.

Like any public road, Guernsey airport runway needs maintenance to ensure it can carry the weight it was designed for. Though it's perfectly fine for the aircraft presently using it, it has deteriorated over the years and it could be some time before it can take anything heavier. Flybe want to introduce their Embraer 195 jet aircraft, capable of carrying 118 passengers.

Both the airport Director and the Minister for Public Services were unavailable to comment today but have promised a response for tomorrow. One thing they have reassured though is the airport at the moment, with the scheduled aircraft is perfectly safe and indeed they say the Embraer Jet could land here it's just it couldn't land at full capacity.

Flybe's Ian Taylor said: "Immediately we are calling for an urgent meeting with Commerce and Employment in Guernsey, Public Services and the airport to see if further studies can be done. To see if this is a finite weight limit. Our winter schedule comes to and end in March, the 146 is leaving our fleet at the end of March. So therefore there will be a strong possibility, unless some remedy can be sort immediately, that Guernsey will be without a jet service in and out of the island."

Airport officials say it will be at least a year until the runway is ready to take the sort of weights it was designed for.

Any truth in the rumour that flybe are about to announce ABZ-LGW 3 x daily with an Embraer 195 from this summer?

Would Flybe ever consider operating between Cardiff and mainland France - they did operate between BRS and BOD,EGX & TLS, be great for CWL if they started one or two of these routes from here.

They seem to have a good network of routes into France from other airports and after their expansion into CWL with BHD,EDI,GLA,NCL & CDG surely France must be the next choice ?

Or even BRU - this route has been empty since the Air Wales days and not forgetting Eastern who only lasted a few days on it !!!!!

Any news anyone on this ???

I do believe CDG is in France....? :ok:

....and perhaps the reason the BRU route is "empty" is because there is insufficient demand for it to be operated profitably?