Rumour: GB Airways to become full subsidiary of BA.
 

Hi

This is a big rumour among various press offices at LGW at the moment. Kevin Hattons appointment as cheif of GB has started it. Personally i think KH took a wonderful airline (BY) and let TUI ruin it before he left. Lets hope GB doesn't follow suit under his leadership.

Here we go again......more rumours with no substance.

BA can not afford to buy GB, even if it was for sale. The price tag would be £100 to £150 million. BA has billions of debts which need to paid off, there is the pension deficit to pay off, and of course they need to think about borrowing for fleet replacements 737, 767, 747 eventually etc.

£150M is peanuts for BA and the overall debt is now lower than the cash reserves, so pension deficit aside BA is now in the black. £150M would also be a very reasonable price for all those GB slots at LHR. Still don't think it would happen though.

And the name of this website forum is.............Professional pilots FACT network? No. Wind yer neck in matey!

GB Airways
 

GB Airways is NOT for sale!!! Thats from James himself!

GB (including BMed) would of course be a very good starting point for the BA2 I suggested over on the strike thread. Along the lines of Swiss/Crossair etc.
Don't forget Nigel that not all those who drive a jet with BA written on the side are BA pilots, you are replaceable.

Speedmarque......Come on then ..Your press office connections ..spill the beans .....MORE RUMOURS then I'll wind my neck in MATEY.:}

Why would BA be interested? Four years ago maybe, but BAs shorthaul costs have come down comparatively since then so what would they be buying?
Poor routes: we no longer have the 'niche' market in Iberia that we once did. The GB Board have stood by and let the low cost operators swamp the routes that once made the money. We are hamstrung by the franchise and have to fly further for less yield to try to stay afloat.
There is no way flying an A320 or 321 for 5-6 hours with 30-50 passengers on board is going to make money. Now fuel prices are so high the operating cost of a 320 must be approx £3750 per hour. 5 times that is about £18000. Each punter would have to pay about £120 each way plus taxes for a full aircraft to make any money to e.g. Paphos. We are not full and they are not paying anything like that!
Notice the low cost carriers rarely have sectors of more than 2.5 hours. There is a sound commercial reason for that.
If you think the next BA comedian is going to be an improvement on Johnny Vegas forget it. If he was any good BA then TUI would not have let him go.
The board needs a proper strategy if they are to save this once proud airline.
I suggest: stop selling Full Service tickets at less than low cost fares in aircraft with 30% fewer seats. Oh and if the board learned some basic maths that would help, shoes and socks off if they run out of fingers. Otherwise bye bye GB.

Furthermore ... whilst LHR slots are something that BA are still prepared to spend capital reserves on, I don't believe GB have more than a very few (if any) LHR slots, and the thread started off talking about GB Airways rather than BMed anyway.

Predominately, GB operate from LGW (with a few recent MAN routes). BA (imho) are certainly not interested in picking up any LGW slots whilst our own LGW operation is itself under scrutiny once again. Until BA can get our own cost base under control (excess staff numbers due restrictive practices and massive central overheads foe example), then incorporating GB into BA would just increase the losses at LGW. BA get more out of the arrangement through franschisiing fees from GB than they would by buying it and bringing it in-house.

Well said Major C S.

CRIPES and BLIMEY. GB are a small efficient and focused little outfit making a bit of money in a tough market. So obviously BA will buy them just to arse it all up. Isn't that what they do? They are like a scorpion. British Regional Mark 2

Well, with the announcement of Gary David (Managing Director) being suspended from Cadogan Holidays last week - who knows whats going to happen.

New GB Airways Routes
 

Rumour has it that GB are looking to start some more new routes from Manchester. Interestingly, Moscow and Athens have been mentioned.

Any more info available?

Not trying to be rude here or anything but why isn't this in the 'MANCHESTER' thread?!

Coz its quite rightly in the airlines,airports and routes thread

Yes but it's to do with Manchester airport of which there is a long thread running on.

Perhaps people are interested in hearing about particular airline developments rather than wading through 10 pages of tosh about an airport and its dispute with ramp handling staff

Obviously so! with not one relevent answer so far...:hmm:

So why reply thrice then? :confused:

Anyway, can't really see Moscow and Athens, Moscow as I don't think the CX proposol for HKG-SVO-MAN is dead yet, and ATH-MAN, I think BA Mainline would rather keep them connecting though LHR.

Why don't you start by asking yourself what YOU really got out of posting that thread?

Hey Heebeegb,

Go easy on Flapjack - despite the slightly sensationalist title to the thread, he raises some valid points that may stimulate some interesting debate.

Also see the GB pay negotiations thread........

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=212138

Thought GB was profitable according to previous posts??? Maybe becoming a wholly owned BA subsidiary - would fit nicely with the BA Connect network????? The family run holding company for GB - isn't doing too well from what I hear though....

i think flapjack made some valid points, but agree that mere speculation is sometimes unhelpful.

I think GB has a very bright and exciting future!!!

BPM

For the new people. Please, no slagging or flaming. We don't allow it. If you don't have facts don't post your best guess. It upsets innocent folk.

PPP

It would not sit within the BA Connext business plan and they already make a significant loss.

Blimey, beauport potato man - your post has been pretty drastically sanitised since you edited it - have they pulled you into the office for a 'chat' ? :D
SectorSafe, you state.....
Surely, all posts on PpruNe are the observations and opinions of individuals and therefore cannot be viewed as 'official' ?

just giving benefit of the doubt in the early days finchy.

Greenfinch,

"GB has a very bright and exciting future"

What does BPM know/has he heard that has so revised his stance on this matter?

Well, as JM, JH & JP (directors) are all either leaving or left (+ a senior bod in the parent travel group) & is general knowledge.
Easy & FR have done as flapjack320 says..
T&C,s have got worse (& more to come methinks)...
Two Cpts & ten F/Os have left (or handed in their notice)in the the last few months, with at least three other Cpts I know of about to do the same!
Then, either you have been asleep or are doing your best ostrich impersonation.:ok:

BTW, Remember what this forum is called!

Anyone know if they will be drawing from their hold pools at long last?

Dash-7 lover is trying to wind-up the GB pilots as the BA Connect and GB 'products' are very different.

Just curious, when is GB's BA franchise up for renewal?

All sounds like truthful stuff to me. People have left and are leaving. That inludes Managers. Do they know something we don't??

Thanks Flapjack - yeah, it was a cracking night out and one hell of a send-off ! (many thanks to all who turned up).

I think you should ignore any flack you get over this thread - like I said earlier, you've raised some valid points that should stimulate some interesting debate. After all, isn't that what PPRuNe's all about ?

Cheers,

'finchy :ok:

So I’m guessing GB is looking for replacements for these crew that have left? Any one have any idea about numbers? With new aircraft on the way too I’m guessing a few…:)

flapjack320,

Please check your Private Message's

Thanks,

Craggs.

GB lost about £5.5m last year. Reports not yet filed but that is apparently the figure. Most of this seems to be down to the fact that they are continually trying to sell £1 for 50 pence, particularly given the crazy bulk buying rates that they give to many of the tour operators using GB flights.

I hear that another pilot has resigned, a training captain this time...

Tis correct.

Not replacing him either, so the ostrich is alive & well (sic):yuk:

How many aircraft do GB Airways still have on order, and where are they likely to expand to next? The MAN hub is now over a year old, how is it doing? Does anyone think BHX will ever play a role in GB's future considering BA Connect's position there, or is there too much LCC competition?