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BIG E 22nd May 2007 13:08

AMS arrival restrictions in place due to low vis.

transwede 22nd May 2007 19:55

FLYJET

The future of Flyjet has not yet been decided. As for their operation at NCL, it all depends on what future contracts they may be able to get, as work for Freedom/XL seems non-existent?! Hope they don't disappear, they seem quite an interesting operation and possibly could do well as a small, niche UK charter carrier. Certainly some of their previous operations have been interesting.

Looking forward to seeing winter Jet2 schedules, especially SSH etc. Just hope the airline does not expand too much too quickly as sometimes it can be detrimental to the overall success of an airline.

CentreFix25 23rd May 2007 06:36

The future of FJE must have been decided. If they don't know what their doing in 5 months time, then i don't hold out much hope for them.

HH6702 23rd May 2007 13:28

Air Malta
 
Seems to me that XL have chosen KM over FJE

looks like km have the following

TFS tuesdays and Fridays
ACE on thursday
Rhodes on Wednesdays

Malaga on saturdays

nclpilot 23rd May 2007 16:59

Speaking of FJE, see they have an indefinite delay at the moment on the PFO.

JFH 23rd May 2007 17:07

New facilities @ NCL
 
see the airport has just announced they are to build a new petrol station, car wash and convenience store to the north of the main airport entrance.

Work beginnig this summer.

noiseabatement 23rd May 2007 17:21

FJE
 
Delay re: FJE

Heard that the inbound from PFO is actually landing at Manchester, and people checking in at Newcastle for Arrecife (presumably the aircrafts next rotation) in the morning have a nice bus trip to Manchester to look forward too.... wasn't told why this decision was made. :confused:

And not connected with this thread, but what was the aircraft that went "tech" at Liverpool stranding 150 supporters who will not be going to Athens....?? :p

skyman771 23rd May 2007 18:49


see the airport has just announced they are to build a new petrol station, car wash and convenience store to the north of the main airport entrance.
Hmmm... suppose it's all revenue generation, wouldn't be hard to think of any number of more pressing projects that would assist the development & smooth running of NCL.:confused:
Is this convenience store going to have signs for those inbound pax with warnings as to what is able to be taken through secuity?:uhoh:;)

ric180880 23rd May 2007 23:16

FJE delay is due to a/c aborting take off in PFO and leaking hydraulic fluid on the runway. Saw it happen! PFO was closed whilst they cleared the runway, but when we left the a/c was still sitting on the taxiway as PFO did not have a tow bar for a 757.

By the looks of it it was not going to be going anywhere soon.

10 DME ARC 24th May 2007 10:22

J2 have just announced ACE(once week) and LPA(twice week) for this winter.
:)

HH6702 24th May 2007 11:34

Ryanair base at BRS
 
looks like NCL has lost out to BRS

lukeylad 24th May 2007 11:52

Whats going on with this flight:

XLA446V08:50FAROCHECK-IN DELAYED 18:30

Unlucky for NCL with FR.

skyman771 24th May 2007 12:23


Unlucky for NCL with FR
Hmmm.:confused:... no so sure. Competion usually leads to lower prices, but in an already saturated market, it would surely only lead to casualties elsewhere.
Looking at this from another view point, just how many more based operations could NCL actually handle with current infra structure?:\

noiseabatement 24th May 2007 13:02

Ryanair & Flyjet.
 
As stated by Skyman771, there are pro's and cons when an airline is selecting a base. Could EGNT have handled another lcc with space now rather scarce. Imagine if the new "G" apron was increased in size, after sercurity checks in the main terminal you could then be bussed over to the souhtside! However, the 3 stands currently available are usually occupied by MNG F27 freighters and Jet2's 733 QC's for the mail flights.

FJE delay is due to a/c aborting take off in PFO and leaking hydraulic fluid on the runway. Saw it happen! PFO was closed whilst they cleared the runway, but when we left the a/c was still sitting on the taxiway as PFO did not have a tow bar for a 757.
By the looks of it it was not going to be going anywhere soon.


Regarding the FJE Paphos arrival (due 19.10 yesterday evening) - this flight is now scheduled to land at 01.00 Friday morning into.... Manchester, with the pax getting bussed up to Newcastle. :(

The diversion to Manchester was known yesterday afternoon, but after the suggested aborted take-off from PFO and subsequent hydraulic problems, this has obvioulsy made the situation considerably worse..... it never rains does it....

Delta 8 24th May 2007 13:38


Imagine if the new "G" apron was increased in size, after sercurity checks in the main terminal you could then be bussed over to the souhtside!
Why not just increase the size of the current Apron (which is going to happen any way). "My understanding is that the southside will be developed for freight ops maybe aircraft maintenance one day". You can't just bus passengers over to the otherside of the airfield, its not as easy as that. How are you going to get luggage across there. You can't take passengers across the runway and you can't take them out the barriers because they are then leaving a "Restricted area", which means they have to be searched again. Same with luggage, once it has crossed the RZ line it would then have to screened again. :)

noiseabatement 24th May 2007 14:29

"G" Apron
 
My thoughts on the "G" apron were, shall we say a moment of deep imagination as I stated. The main apron could yet be developed by many a square metre! :D

There is many a way to overcome the points previously posted, so not such a daft thought as it may seem! :confused:

Jamesair 24th May 2007 16:22

Don't forget there is still the request by Flybe to base 4 a/c at Newcastle. Did anyone hear the outcome of the discussions with the airport about this?

crewboi83 24th May 2007 16:38

Anyone know why LS524 from Murcia has DIVERT EDI beside it on airport arrivals? why is it diverting?

noiseabatement 24th May 2007 16:55

Jet2 from Murcia.
 
LS524 from Murcia to Newcastle diverted to Edinburgh due to "operational reasons" - and as we know that could be anything! :eek:

mmeteesside 24th May 2007 17:57

The aircraft positioned down from EDI to NCL to operate it earlier so just taking it back to EDI instead of NCL then position back.

Maude Charlee 24th May 2007 18:34

Flybe are probably looking to park all their crewless aircraft somewhere, that's all.

:}

HH6702 24th May 2007 19:11

I think there is a big enough market for jet2/easyjet/flybe and ryanair to expand at ncl. even GSM doing a few more long haul routes

noiseabatement 25th May 2007 18:05

Routes & airlines.
 
Yes, I think there is more scope for expansion at EGNT - but then again it's down to space in the short term.

Jet2's LS532 from Palma (due Newcastle 15.00hrs) diverted to Leeds/Bradford - another bus trip for the pax, "operational reasons" again.. ?

fl dutchman 25th May 2007 19:18

Jet 2 operational reasons
 
Hope there not going to do an Easyjet Summer 2006 or something similar. Perhaps a couple of isolated problems?? Hope so.

Expansion. There is probably room for expansion, but please let it be to somewhere new and not routes operated already by another carrier.

crewboi83 25th May 2007 22:17

Fingers x just a one off, altho I did hear titan are comming in 2moro with their 757 to help out. Not sure but think AE has been on maintenance, and then AC stuck AOG in AGP didnt help. Few probs with the 73 fleet as well so thinks have been hard work but they seem to be getting there.
At least its not a FJE style delay!

SWBKCB 26th May 2007 07:10

Jet2 problems
 
Using a Titan 757 to MJV this morning.

NCL1 26th May 2007 08:59

jet2
 
jet2 always seem to be delayed at the moment, wouldn't comment on fje's delays if i worked for jet2!:ugh:

Defo agree that we need something new at NCL, preferably charters looking into more long haul destinations please, lets get an all year SFB and Cancun's!!! :)

noiseabatement 26th May 2007 12:35

Jet2
 
Good forward planning by Jet2 to lease in the Titan 757, a lot of airlines do not bother when an aircraft goes tech, or is delayed elsewhere.

Of course this will be a one-off, usually lasts a couple of days max. Nobody could ever match the delays of 2 years ago with Excel and the 767 on the Orlando/Dominican/Orlando... :eek:

We all could list numerous routes to start form EGNT, I am sure the charter end of the operation could be a little more imaginative. The Canary Islands are a 12 month operation which everybody will always operate. I am sure there is a market across "The Pond" :D :D

lukeylad 26th May 2007 23:10

I dont see why people are having a dig at Jet2 for been late all the time. It happens to most airlines. The summer season is getting into Gear now for Jet2 and there working the best they can. Now i know it isn't helped with aircraft been tech but hey thats life.

My point been dont knock them when its clear there trying there best.

noiseabatement 27th May 2007 00:17

Jet2
 
:)

I do not actually see anybody having a dig at Jet2 for "being late all the time", nor is it any sort of constructive critiscism, merely remarking about their forward planning leasing in the ZAP 757, which I think is positive comment. Perfection does not exist in the airline industry, or in avaition as a whole.

Things went badly for EZY the other week through no fault of their own, so they raked up 2 spare 737's from Luton and sent them up to Newcaslte to cover late flights, a lot of praise was passed EZY's way via this forum. I think this could be the status quo in future. I, as well as many pruners remember the days when a Dan Air 732 went tech then that was it - flight cancelled..... catch the same flight next week if there is room!

ash666 27th May 2007 08:10

Why not if their best isn't good enough? As PAX they have already told me my flights will be taking off later than when I booked meaning a very late arrival now, and getting back after all public transport has finished, and they are running up to 3 hours late on top of that. It's the first and last time I will use Jet2, back to EZY for me.

NCL1 27th May 2007 09:39

GSM?
 
No delays showing as of yet of the GSM - Hamilton - could this be the first week we see an on time departure? Fingers crossed - they haven't had much luck so far :)

ash666 27th May 2007 10:40

I see LS531 to Palma is delayed from 11.15 to 16.30:*

LeggyMountbatten 27th May 2007 13:30


Originally Posted by groundhand (Post 3296141)
NCL development was held back for many years, not because of poor senior management but because Government borrowing policies prevented the business from being able to access monies from normal commercial sources. Development had to be self financed and this stopped a lot of the more 'ambitious' plans coming to fruition. Imagine having a business with double digit percentage growth year on year, profits increasing year on year but not being able to access commercial banking loans?? To say that previous management were frustrated, JB the FD in particular, is a tad of an understatement.
Now that these restrictions have been lifted there is a lot of catch-up to do.

I was at NCL shortly after the enforced incorporation after the 87 act, which brought in the borrowing restrictions and I left before the councils sold off a controlling share in NIAL - so I'm happy to be corrected. But, as I recall groundhand, the change came at NCL not because the rules were changed but because the owners of NIAL eventually accepted the rules and sold off a controlling interest - allowing NIAL to access commercial loans. These rules didn't change in 1997, BTW. JB was frustrated by many things. An unexpected large payment to the PTE for the Metro extension would be one, including the massive cost for the, IMHO, pointless road bridge when it should've been left on the old line so it could've gone on to Pont. An underestimate (compared to the tenders) of magnificent proportions of the cost of a runway resurfacing would be another. If NIAL was strapped for cash, why did the owners distribute profits?

Anyway, all history - glad to see 5M exceeded - we were pretty impressed with 2M.

noiseabatement 27th May 2007 14:50

Hamilton.
 
NCL1:

Good to see GSM to Hamilton left us with slightly over an hours delay :D

Actually witnessed her climbing out over Wideopen as I left the Co-op! :ooh:

Not sure of the reasons behind Jet2's late departure for the Palma flight (LS531)

crewboi83 27th May 2007 17:36

Jet2 only have 1 757 operating a 2 aircraft programme.
G-LSAC is currently AOG in AGP with engine failure, engine due to be replaced 2moro so should be back in service tue to wed.
G-LSAE was sent to MAN to help out (Altho i dont know why! not fair really to annoy NCL pax when its MAN that had the problem)
But thats it really! should be back on track by mid next week fingers X

noiseabatement 27th May 2007 18:03

Jet2 & Air Berlin
 
Crewboi83:

Cheers for that update! :ok: All will be OK in a couple of days.

Heard a classic "rumour" last night, some people who I consider to be in "the know" were discussing Air Berlin and 3 possible routes into/out of Newcastle.

I aint got a clue where Air Berlin have bases, but again if there is any fact in this it only bodes well for Newcastle. :D

Jamesair 28th May 2007 11:45

Could be something in it, an earlier post reported a visit by Air Berlin executives to the airport.

DONTTELLTHEPAX 28th May 2007 12:03

AirBerlin are looking to expand in the Uk,
any new UK route will be into their STN hub,
look out EZY:E.

HH6702 28th May 2007 19:13

Air Berlin
 
Dont think STN will be in there plans.
Easyjet have 5 flights a day to STN if AB were to go on the route they would only have 2 flights aday. Some of EZY flights are only half full and i dont think that AB would be able to get the right slots at STN.

The routes which Air Berlin will do from NCL will be SXF,CGN,MUC
I could be wrong but these are the mot likely.

They have a codeshare with HLX so they may even take over the hannover


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