.........there's nothing on the BA press office website.........yet!

Oh great! Hope it's not true. I'd prefer to fly around in a nice new Emb vs. a Q400. RJ.

:ouch:

Just been looking and can't say I've found anything on the either website about this.

RJ.

Wheres the Q400 Bombardier link gone... Its dissapeared...

Hopefully the link has gone along with the Q400 threat!!!

if that really was a wind up all iv got to say is..........


why why why??

whats the point?

havnt you got anything better to do with your time?:mad:

I think you will find the professionals reside at Exeter :ok:

But that's the plan. They called themselves British European, use BE as an IATA code ( formerly BEA if you had to ask ), fly BA codeshares, have former BA staff. Do you really think BA have handed over everything outside of London to flybe and surrendered all that market share willy nilly?

I bet they'll be bought out by BA before too long. BA get all the routes back and make money for the first time ever as staff are not on BA Ts and Cs. It's not BA, it's flybe operating as BA, keep it at arms length. For the first time BA can afford to fly people from A to B outside of Heathrow.

I'll get my coat and outrun the angry ex Rashers now.....

Skipness One Echo
 

Think you are right there. I am just not sure if/when they will start shipping lgw routes over to BE. That will be the big make or break point as it could remove all the lgw ba ramp side from the equation as they did in the regions..

"...............looks like Certo Cita was right" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is it just stuff you 'want to hear' that you will believe or is it everything thats written on this site ?

How about this then -

Concorde was a conspiracy, and never really existed.
Jack and Jill in fact never met - but traveled up the hill on separate occasions.
The moon is made of edam and not cheddar as commonly believed.
We are all about to receive a tax cut.
PPrune actually stands for - proven factual statements as certified in uk law.

So we're back to the beginning; we still know nothing.

"...............looks like Certo Cita was right" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is it just stuff you 'want to hear' that you will believe or is it everything thats written on this site ?


Calm down dear!

As far as I was concerned, I was reading a genuine press release, not listening to rumour-mongers. There is nothing that I particularly 'want to hear', just taking an interest in the industry.

You have to laugh, where has the Dash8 rumour come from again ? Well it came from a bored crew sat in the canteen in LCY about 4 days ago who between them decided to see how far they could recycle the Dash8 rumour again, even saying it was Q300s! Hmmmmm four days to get on the internet that was slooow!! There is nothing on the Cityflyer intranet about Dashes and i guess the fact that you cant move in Didsbury for Embraer models is just a smokescreen .

Well, Marlowe, as an ex BA Connect employee, I seem to recall lots of models of the Embraer familly and also, a 757 proudly on display in Disdbury on my visits to HQ Didsbury and I know the former CP of BA Connect would frequently talk about fleet replacement, with mutters about the 170 and 190 to replace the 145 and that was when BA were making loads of money! The rest is history now, but what I would say, is I hope that Big Airways has the courage, in these uncertain times, to make a very significant and substantial investment in fleet replacement for Cityflyer whether, it is EMB 170's, 190's or even the money making Dash Q400, it really does not matter, what is more important, is that we all have jobs.

In my heart, I wish all those at Cityflyer - and I have a lot of good friends and ex colleagues working there all the very best for the future.

Let's not forget BA already own 15% of FlyBE, the stake was acquired when they sold of the regional ops of BACON.

I always think the history of BA and it's regional affiliates is very interesting....and by history I include the pre-BA period of BOAC/BE. The airline has a long history of closing down/selling off regional arms and then bit by bit taking them back under its wing, in recent years as Franchise carriers. To be honest I have always felt that Eastern almost has the best fit to become the next BA Franchise carrier, but yes, FlyBE would have to be on the list, once the strategy changes again, the oly thing is, I think FlyBe is actually too big for the games BA and it's predecessors played in the past.

I assume, Airman, like me you have been in the industry for quite some time, in my case, 38 years come January 2009. Its odd, when you reflect back over those years, Cambrian Airlines, Northeast Airlines, BEA, when the then State owned airline had bases in ABZ, GLA, EDI,NCL,LPL,BHX and probably one or two more bases that elude me. So what do we have now? Flybe, doing exactly what BEA did some 30 + years ago, with bases in the very same locations, operating regional services and all power to thier elbow. Its called the Circle of Life. Not unlike the 1960's when retailing was focused upon city centres, then during the early, mid seventies, it was fashionable to develop out of town shopping centres, such as Milton Keynes, however, come the 80's, then b***er my old boots, the town planners thought they had better bring back retailing into the city centres, and of course during the 90's a swing back to out of town and here we are now, with huge developments back in the city centres, which is what I feel about regional aviation. I predict that over the next few years, what we shall witness, is Britsh Airways,( if its not bought by the Chinese or Gulf States) being a BOAC again, and the European bit been sold/closed down and let the likes of Easyjet and Ryanair compete in that market, with Flybe concentrating on their own successful business in the regions.

Flatspin, I've actually only been in the industry a few years, but even in the current world believe there are a lot of lessons to be learnt from the past, and always think it's interesting how aspects of history repeat themselves. Maybe I just spent too much time reading about these things as a kid and am now just a geek!

Funnily enough, Cambrian and Northeast were probably the two airlines that came to mind the most, prior to the whole Manx/Loganair/BRA saga, when thinking about the BA/BOAC/BEA strategies. Cambrian were picked up and dropped so often it's ridiculous.

Personally I hope flybe dont take over the lgw - edi/gla routes, if lgw was going to loose it then maybe they should allow the glasgow base to operate the lgw shuttles !

BA haven't had a GLA pilot base in years and the cabin crew base that is to close are LHR operating.

Hi All

Think we are going a bit off the subject in this thread, it is meant to be about BA Cityflyer. Not BA at LGW or the future of BA at LGW.

I understand that the rumours are out there that BACF could end up with DH4 aircraft. The same aircarft type that BE currently operate. However there isn't now or has been spoeculation that BE will take over BACF services.

I have read all the threads with interest but maybe they would be better posted on the British Airways, Gatwick or Flybe threads

flybe are positioning themselves nicely for much bigger things...

With BAs initial investment and possible further, flybe will continue to grow and operate more and more of the domestic routes and possible European routes. They have the aircraft, crews and backup ready to roll.

For BA to invest in a 'new type' for LCY (Dash8, ERJ Series....) its a hell of an investment, for a niche market - albeit a money maker on EDI - LCY at least for the time being...

To save time, money and heeps of hassel, flybe could jump in and operate with 'minimal' disruption. Orders for the 190 can be switched to the 170 at flybes request.

Its not impracticle - not impossible and may just be what BA see as the answer to a prickly thorn in the mainline side.

And pilots

D and F

They need pilots and cabin crew as a function of their business, so if they are short of them they will continue to recruit. I have seen many companies in the past, recruiting while going out of business so it means nothing.
I am not saying cityflyer are going out of business, just drawing a comparison. As I have said in previous posts, BA kept the RJ fleet on when the rest went to flybe, because of the expensive leases. These are now nearing their end, making further Flybe integration the most probable future.
IMHO

BAladdy, is probably correct, some are steering this thread off course.

Whether, Flybe takeover the routes from GLA and EDI to LGW is pure speculation, as most of us know, word on the street, is that over the last 20 years the (BA) route has made no significant revenue to their earnings and I stress that is pure hear say. Personally, I would doubt that BACF could make a profit on it because of the high operating costs of the RJ, unless they had a significant contract with a bank or similar institution to guarantee cash flow. However, if they were to refleet, with EMB 170's, 190's, or Dash 8 Q400's, is another matter and I wish them well if such an opportuntity arose - but it does seem perhaps more than a coincidence that Flybe still has options on a further 12 EMB 195's, and of course there is also the BMI Lufty thing, but that would be completely out of order on this thread.

I rest my case and will post no more on this topic. Best wishes and good luck to all concerned, because, make no mistake, we shall all need it over the next 12 months, if not longer.

I'd just be happy getting rid of those bl**dy awful cramped RJ100's off the EDI>LCY route. I'd settle for a nice 400 or an Embraer and a bit more bum space.:ok:

dicanio10

Maybe a change in diet/exercise might help? :}

Change of diet? Exercise? Mighty stature? I am hurt:eek:
Mrs DiCanio10 insists by behind is my best feature. Doesn't say much for the rest of me:rolleyes:
Seriously, I'm not the only one to complain about the width of the seats. Fed up with flying elbows when trying to eat breakfast as well:ugh:

Ah, but one suspects it's seldom been said to their faces. 6'3", 17 stone forwards are after all sensitive souls who feel public seats should accomidate them.

Would be nice to see a fleet of these ERJ170 in BA fleet

Aviation Design - Modified Airliner Photos British Airways Embraer ERJ-170 Combo

Announcement should come by end of first week of December acc to company. If not, they'll let us know.

If and when they make any announcment, the staff will be the last to know!

So DB what you are saying is the Company will make an anouncement that there will in fact not be an announcement and they will announce that announcement, early next month to announce, that there will be no announcement.

Yep, that's it! :ok: It went from Sep to Oct to Nov and to somewhere before christmas. We'll wait and see. Still negotiating with shareholders and a/c manufacturers. 33/33/33%...

not sure what the 33/33/33%... relates to, let's hope within the next few days the outcome - will be a major boost for all concerned

Either; renew RJ leases, Dash 8's or Embraers...

And the remaining 1% would be --- make no announcement at all!

Now that the company will be saving 2.5% vat on the aircraft perhaps we could use the savings to spec up the options, maybe sat nav, or alloy wheels.

Are we allowed to place bets?

Yes place your bets..... Just need someone to work out the odds..

I'm betting EMB170/190

RJ.:O

Ok, count me in. I'm gonna go for the longshot; the A318. :ouch: Just because I'm bored right now.

Here at Waterside I can assure you that there are far greater issues than concerning ourselves with CX's needs. I doubt there will be any announcement this year as your loads are not that brill and may well get worse. The high EDI sectors mainly put on for the coporate deals with RBS a deal that now looks insecure and fragile.