That's incredibly perceptive of you. Yeah, of course Jetblue claimed to have done a deal with Jetscape for four aircraft to be leased to Azul, made a filing (as a public company) with the Securities and Exchange Commission to that effect, and talked to the press (e.g. this Flight story), and Azul (David Neeleman)) told the same story to the press... but you could see it was all lies - it was just cover for a secret BACF order for four E190s!

:ugh:

(Nothing personal, but there's just no need for any conspiracy theory - if BA or any other big carrier wanted to source E190s they could do so without two other airlines having to perjure themselves, believe me...)

Easy now tiger. ;) I wasn't implying anything in that direction. But I get your point. It was purely meant as info. All we gotta do is wait. :ok:

... No really...

Give BACityflyer or even flybe the UK domestic routes - Please...

BA Mainline are a bunch of whinging, pampered and overpaid :mad:...

1. BACityflyer are flying 'BA Liveried' aircraft, offering the 'BA product', with staff in 'BA uniforms'. FINE. However BA dont want to pay Cityflyer crew / staff mainline money, or have them 'involved' in the BA Mainline seniority machine... PATHETIC.

2. BACityflyer work hard, and put up with a sh1t load of issues regarding (as per above) and aircraft reliability.

3. Maybe if BA took a good hard look at the Cityflyer operation, and the amount of money it generates, it would realise that for a small operation it brings in the cash and then some and deserves to be treated accordingly, with resources (aircraft), and infrastructure that are fit for the job.

A fleet upgrade announcement is due soon - one wonders what BA have up their sleeve... Dash8-400s or EMB190s or even the A318!

The phrase that doesnt pay... ''Scope-clause'' Tailored to suit BA Mainline whenever they see fit...

Hats off to the guys and girls at Cityflyer and the work they put in :ok:

In the current economic climate, I have to confess I would be a little disappointed if BA make an announcement regarding ANY large capital outlay!

At least we can see where you're coming from. Chip on both shoulders!

Let's stop that part of Silverstreak's discussion right here and keep this thread civilized from here onwards cause I see where this is going. :yuk:

Its going nowhere. BA has enough to concern itself with the loss of 2.6 millions a day and which bank will lend it capital today for new aircraft. I doubt it will be spending much time or money on CX. My son who is a keen anorak tells me that the EMB's have yet to be cleared for LCY operations. If they have why has no-one posted any photos of the a/c @ LCY. Futhermore LCY and its customer base must surely lose a % of its passengers and that is assuming it has not already done so? LCY have withdrawn from the SEN purchase bid so I imagine they see some tight times ahead.

Slight aside here. Recently the acting head of IFS at BA acknowledged that the company was not physically loosing £2.6million per day but that revenue was down £2.6million per day.

HZ123 the 170 is cleared for the steep approach at lcy i believe , the 190 Embraer hope, will be cleared by December 2008. The reason you have no pictures of an aircraft at LCY is because nobody is operating the 170 into there at the moment! It was rumoured that Air France were going to during the summer but that rumour proved unfounded .

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Why would AF operate 170s into LCY when they have 27 RJ85s? Their choice is pretty clear. The Em-190 clearance into LCY which is scheduled for December is I believe tied to the Lufthansa order for the aircraft where the first delivery is due early next year. But they have now chosen to put their first aircraft into Air Dolomiti at Milan. Don't expect to see any Embraers into LCY anytime soon!

KLM or Flybe may well be interested, though.

Midweek. I have no idea why they would operate into LCY with a 170, hazarding a guess it might be the price of fuel on the 4 engined RJ against the better fuel economy of the 2 engined Embraer who knows? All i said was there was a rumour that they were going to this summer. As it happened they didnt, I have no idea why they didnt, you will have to ask them yourself!!

Cover for tech aircraft.......

Sorry to go on but I still maintain that the EMB is not cleared for LCY. If the a/c has never been to LCY then I cannot see it ioerating. EMB should by now have flown a number of proving flights in and out?

My reading is that the E170 has received Brazilian steep approach certification, in order to demonstrate it's capability to operate into LCY.

I am unsure as to whether it has or will achieve CAA/JAA certification for such operations.

In any event, I strongly suspect in the current economic climate, this is all pretty irrelevant for BACF.

HZ123 why do you maintain that the EMB170 has not been certified for LCY. You only have to search any aviation related website such as flightglobal.com to realise that it has indeed been certified.

As for the aircraft never having been to LCY, this picture would seem to indicate otherwise.

AAE. Thanks for that you are the first to come up with hard facts. As others have said though it is doubtful that EMB will be getting any orders from BACX. The picture is 2005 so it might suggest that no airlines have shown much interest.

When I was with citiexpress, I saw the 170 at the city, doing the steep approach trials. it must have been at least three years ago.
The talk then was that we would soon get them as a replacement. Dream on!

I would bet my house on that. :};);)

Me too!
Pretty safe bet considering they no longer exist!!:)