Lo-co timings
 

MAN777

As a good comparison the new Ryanair flight to Milan Bergamo arrives at 23.45hrs to we will see what the loads are like on that. Granted, Ryanair are more of a household name that Volareweb especially in the UK, so I expect it will be better supported.

I presume that will be a Bergamo based Ryanair aircraft on its last rotation of the day ? Midnight, an hours drive from Milan ! Dont think there will be any business users on that flight then. It will have to be cheap to attract the PAX that will put up with that inconvenience, the Volare web tickets were given away and still there were only 30 on board !

Ryanair has a lead over Volaweb already, Press coverage! all over the Evening News, BBC and ITV local news and of course it is all free as well

Ian

Arn't we expecting an EZY announcement today?

tommorow. 1st jan

I would have thought that the 1st of Jan would be a poor day for any announcement, arent people nursing hangovers, tucking into leftover turkey and watching crap tv repeats ? Why would anyone be taking notice of easyjet on this day ?

when are people most likely to think about holidays?

In between xmas and new year when you are rushed off of your feet trying to sort yourselves out whether it be returning gifts, planning parties, xmas sales etc? No.

New year, new resolution, new holiday. The week after new year is probably the most likely time people look for holidays (correct me if I'm wrong) as the festivities are over and the new year looks bleek without a jolly to look forward to. Step in EZY.

Big announcement, ITV, BBC etc. over next couple of days not to mention all the publicity they will be slapping around Manchester! Personally, I think their timing is perfect and if they are to launch in Feb which has been said then they need to get the seats on sale as soon as possible!

I'm seriously looking forward to tomorrow. What time are the flights announced? 6am? 8am? Planning on being one of the first to book flights (permitting my condition after midnight tonight! ;)!)

Hope everybody has an excellent new year tonight and hope to discuss the EZY routes tomorrow!

yep lol. my friend works in a travel agent and JAN is the busiest time of year to book holidays there even open longer than usual.ezy could not be better timing and good on them,it will bypass ryanair.

OK, I will have it, but it better be cheap ! or thats all I will be doing, "thinking" about a holiday !!:)

EZY Flights from Manchester
 

Is there going to be an announcemant tomorrow or is it just that the GB Airways flights will go on sale as Easyjet flights as from tomorrow.

Reading other posts I dont think we will hear of any additional flights, but please let me be wrong.

Gordon

The GB S08 MAN routes are on sale now on BA website, and will remain so until the aquisition of GB is complete at the end of Jan ?
Therefore, I take it that if seats are on sale tomorrow on EZYs website then either A) GB is theirs early and it is the GB routes or B) Its not GB routes yet, but a selection of other new routes. You decide...or better still wait till morning :ok:
Happy New Year :}

Saw a poster today EZY, MAN-TFS £44....
Presume it's a Gerbli a/c
watp,iktch

why dont you guys lok on easyjet website, tells you on there what dest, are available to book from 1 jan!!!!!
Says Crete , Cyprus, Malta and Tenerife south:ok::ok:

Should see some interesting prices for tfs hopefully, wonder who will pull off that route first? Me thinks Ls as tom have charter to back them up as wel as sched! Just need FR to do tfs from man as well to bring prices right down!!!!

ezy
 

I am afraid the routes for sale are only the GT routes .

Now showing on Website

Viscount

TOM have reduced Venice from scheduled LoCo to a once weekly charter next summer

Going into the easyJet system you can also book flights to Innsbruck up to 13th April (Sundays only I Think) and Malaga daily from 1st May

TOM ex MAN
 

Yes TOM dipped their toe into lo co schedules at MAN last year, but have now well and truly retreated.
They have basicaly kept MAN flights as holiday charters, with spare seats filled up via the Thomsonfly web site.
I sampled one of these flights a few months ago, where the IFE was aimed exclusively at children & the pre paid expensive meals were abysmal.
Another missed oppurtunity to develop some much needed city flights, even if they are not daily. At least we know where we stand with TOM now.
TUI fly (HLX) seem to do a much better job & Air Berlin seem to have pretty good consistant loads.

EZY
 

Very much as most people were expecting only the old GT routes plus AGP.

Unfortunately even they haven't got off to a good start as nothing has been loaded properly on the website. Nothing showing for PFO and only outward flights for remainder. HER seems to be the only Destination where outward and return are showing.

I would have thought that EZY could have done a bit better than this and added a least a few destinations other than GT ones using non MAN based aircraft to start off with.

Any further news on the new WW destinations.

Viscount

AGP is a re-introduction of the route GT cancelled, even down to the timings, when they went down to one based aircraft.

Back to two based aircraft, so the route returns.

so the routes are
CRETE - HERAKLION
CYPRUS-PAPHOS
INNSBRUCK
MALAGA
MALTA
TENERIFE SOUTH
not bad.

Does anyone think there is any prospect of easyjet announcing further routes in the near future? My wife needs to book something soon to fly to Geneva in May and I have been giving her some hope, after keeping in touch with this thread, that there might be something from MAN after all, what with the arrival of EZY, rather than having to travel to LPL (we are 10 mins from MAN).

Many thanks.

I would certainly expect Easyjet to introduce more and more destinations from MAN as they build up the base over the next couple of years.... Madrid, Geneva (needs decent frequency) and Berlin are still going begging from MAN for starters.

I think for this summer all we will see is the ex-GB stuff being served but things should look up later in the year once they've got their feet under the table.

The extent of easyJet's summer operations is as mentioned - there's little scope for them to add routes using a MAN based aircraft and as for routes using foreign-based aircraft, I imagine all those flying programmes have been finalised.

However, I'd find it very hard to believe if GVA did not appear as a new route for winter 2008/9; whether they'd operate with a GVA or MAN based aircraft probably depends on how big a programme they want the 2 A320s at MAN to have during the winter and/or whether there's to be a 3rd aircraft based from winter 2008 or from summer 2009.

Best bet for Geneva in May may appear to be Saudi Arabian with their Monday and Friday schedules on 777s - you'd probably have to book seats via a travel agent.

Will CO EVER upgrade their EWR flights?

Their numbers keep rising on the route and they seem to be happy at staying with 2x daily 752. As AA and DL expand in the UK with new services, aren't CO wanting to gain even more of a stance on the EWR-UK routes or are they now hooked on the LHR frenzy?

The route certainly has more room for growth as DL downgrade their aircraft and BA are guaranteed to make no change (unless they cancel the route!:ugh:) Why not? Maybe a daily 752 ans 762 or EVEN 752 and 764!;)

The route is currently only 2x 752s for S08, could it still be changed?

Cheers.

As for CO using the 762 on the route in the near future is most unlikely it will be more likely to see the 764 on the route as the 762 has even less seats than the 752 and is used mainly on routes with a much higher demand for seats up front. As had already been mentioned the two flights a day on the 752 are making money and seen to be doing the job jsut fine at the minute but yes would be good to see some variety... especially the 764 back at MAN;)

Thanks for the reply.

Personally, I would rather see a T7 back in MAN on the EWR route!;) But the route is designed for two daily flights fitting businessmen/women quite well.

Does anybody have a reason why DL aren't bringing back the 764 on the ATL route? We have seen the airline start JFK with 764 daily, then reduced to 763 daily, then 763 5x weekly, now 752 5x weekly - is this route to last? Also, we saw ATL on T7 in March 2003 (used the a/c myself!) and now is down to 763? Surely DL can come up with more than this!

I don't think the DL JFK is in danger of the chop anytime soon, as far as I know DL are still keen on their JFK operations and that includes the European stuff. I think other European stations DL serve have also seen some tweeks or what some might term, "downgrading" of aircraft type too over the last couple of years, not just MAN.

I think its all more of a "fine tuning" exercise trying to get the best aircraft usage for each particular route. Also in the past the DL JFK has gone back up to daily in the summer IIRC so I don't think there is too much to worry about yet.

BE to add 3rd daily NWI next summer. Also some slight alterations to the NWI timetable, here is the S08 (ex. MAN):

Flight:BE 442 (Flybe)
Depart:Manchester Airport 10 Jun 08:50
Arrive:Norwich 10 Jun 09:55
Aircraft DH4

Flight:BE 444 (Flybe)
Depart:Manchester Airport 10 Jun 16:30
Arrive:Norwich 10 Jun 17:35
Aircraft: DH4

Flight:BE 446 (Flybe)
Depart:Manchester Airport 10 Jun 19:40
Arrive:Norwich 10 Jun 20:40
Aircraft: DH4

DL have only a limited number 777's and these are needed on other routes that require the range.

the 3rd Norwich service
 

BE443/444 to/from NWI does *not* operate daily - it's just Tuesdays and Wednesdays when looking at their timetable.

Delta
 

Indeed Manchester is not the only destination to suffer a downgrade
and it is to release 767's for the longer routes such as Delta's new African
services.

These are some of routes with equipment downgrades for 2008 at various
dates: -

JFK-BRU - 763-757
JFK-FRA - 763-757
JFK-CDG - 763-757 (one flight)
JFK-LGW - 763-757
JFK-SNN - 757 - was this a 763 or 764 via DUB?
JFK-MAN - 763-757
CVG-AMS- 763-757
ATL-SNN - 764-757
ATL-EDI - 763-757
ATL-MAN - 764-763

Additional 757 routes will be Orly - JFK, LYS - JFK, EDI-JFK & AGP-JFK.

AMS-JFK was also rumoured to drop to a 757 but it is still showing as a
763 (Delta have allegedly secured 17 ex TWA ETOPs 757).

The only slight worry for Manchester is that they intend sending 757's
across the pond from ATL. However even in winter the MAN figures hold up well so there should be no threat there.

If you sift out the rubbish on a.net there are one or two posters who
know their stuff about CO & DL especially and are worth a read.

The only CO rumours I have read about for the UK was a possible NCL-
Newark and it was claimed they considered a 764 for EDI before going for
the double daily 757. It seems CO is more than stretched with it's 762, 764 and 777 flying and Manchester appears to be stuck with 2 x 757.
They do have 41 ETOPs 757 and not all are allocated to transatlantic flying yet but this won't interest MAN I am sure unless a third flight was
ever considered!!!!

Pete

Thanks for the info on the NWI route. I just checked on OAG and didn't look at other dates!:O

OltonPete - the MAN-ATL is currently a 763 so not being downgraded. Sometimes the airline uses a 764, whether due to a/c shortages or demand I don't know but I can see what your saying. As the openskies comes into effect, US airlines seem to be cutting capacity!:ugh:

Well...except from the Holy Grail that is London Heathrow.:rolleyes:

WW
 

I see WW are recruiting Polish speaking cabin crew for all 4 bases which includes MAN.

Can we take it that WW will eventually announce some new routes from MAN including Poland to fill the gaps in the timetable

Viscount

As I understand it, WW have had discussions with the MAN management with regards to new routes from Summer 2008 and on their website it clearly states that new offerings from Manchester will be announced shortly. However, this has been the case for a while now with obviously nothing announced to date. Have they gone cold with the arrival of EZY & FR? Polish routes would mirror their expansion from other bases but Centralwings have taken on the more obvious polish destinations. What else is left? Perhaps they can take on some of the routes ditched by Jet2?

Apparently there is a shortlist of 5 possible new destinations ex MAN for WW, and it wouldn't surprise me if bmibaby HQ were waiting to see what Easyjet announced before finalising their plans. There are plenty of gaps in the summer programme for these new routes so they will definitely be coming. The fourth aircraft returns mid June so expect these routes to commence then.

What else is left?

Lisbon (left vacant by TOM)
Madrid (left vacant by BA and ZB)
Berlin (left vacant by BA/AB/LS)
Venice (left vacant by TOM/BA/LS)
Derry )left vacant by BA)
Jerez (left vacant by ZB)
Dubrovnik (left vacant by GT)
Amsterdam (left vacant by BA/LS)
Toulouse )left vacant by LS)
Viena (left vacant by BA)
Nice (left vaca nt by BA/LS)
Bucharest (never operated in recent years)
Riga (left vacant by BT)
Talinn (left vacant by Estonia Air)
CPH (left vacant by DM)


So there at least a few destinations where they could look at serving!

Yes they could look at serving any one of the mentioned routes above......then pull off the route as soon as they started like they have done in previous years!!:}

Apart from PGF and BOD going seasonal at the end of last summer it is a while since bmibaby last fully cancelled a route from MAN is it not? Although I must admit the schedule has been pretty boring with the lack of new routes over the last two years!!!

WW
 

Correct..... I think the last they chopped completely were Paris and Barcelona and to be fair they were quite a while ago. They may even have served Murcia if my memory serves me correctly on a weekly basis a while back too but that got the chop.

However as mentioned, their offerings from MAN for the last couple of years have been usual run-of-the-mill stuff with little in the way of inspiration. Strangely however, they have been getting really stuck in at BHX jumping on ex-BACON stuff like MAD..... odd they never thought (until now possibly) about doing the same at MAN.

Lack of suitable aircraft led to the concentration of the WW reaction to the BACON/flybe merger at BHX. It is a shame that MAN had to miss out on growth last year, but hopefully if the new routes ex MAN are sucessful then we may finally see the long promised growth from MAN from Summer 09.

As usual with the bmi group, any kind of expansion is always very long and carefully drawn out... they don't like change and they don't like risk!!!!