Look, just accept it. Cardiff is not on the same scale as Bristol and never will be. Bristol handles more than twice as many passengers because twice as many want to turn up there and get on the planes, and NOT because CWL management are not doing their jobs. Bristol has a bigger catchment and more affluent demographic. It's not up to the management of the airport to persuade people and airlines to fly there. It's economics - demand and supply - pure and simple. The demand is far greater on the Saes side.

If Bristol can not sort the runway problem quickly then places like Cardiff could well benifit.

With passenger being messed around at Bristol the confidence of travelling from there will decline and passenger will travel from other Airports so it is up to Bristol they are the losers at the moment and the longer it goes on will take a long time to rebuild on what they have lost.

GBALU53


Fully agree

Everyone at CWL should be pulling out all the stops this weekend to impress, this is the best chance they will get to say we are here and this is what we can do

xl will return s2008 with full programme incl 2 lh routes watch this space.flybe to base 1 atr,also no expansion for ww.

Flybe dont operate ATR's

XL wont return either, it costs a lot of money to open a base, close a base then open it again 1 year later, cant see it myself!

I agree with WATABENCH, in that an airline will not open a base for one year just to close it then reopen it after a year it has closed as this would cost a lot of money. Along with ah flybee dont operate ATRs, the only prop they use are Q400. For Summer 08, too I would expect them too have two based aircraft before the end of the year, as long as they are sucsessful with BHD. WW not expanding isnt that hard to believe, but they dont know whet they are doing in tinytown at the moment, so until it officialy announced who knows? (because they certinaley dont:E). All bases except for BXH ofcourse have equal measured need for the extra aircraft, that is if there is still one to come now? But with CWLs website announcing earlier in the week, ;and more (routes) to be expected' though this has now changed, who really knows what 07 will bring. Also on the Bristol thread, there is a rumour of TOM leaving BRS, and moving their 757 to CWL, for S08, good news if it happens, but not that likley to happen, is it:(.

So whats exactly happening with FLYBE ?Routes/aircraft at Cardiff?Thanks

Well so far only Belfast City, but I think there may be one more route before 07 is out. Then a possible base in 08. Like what BE does with most new airports, they dip their toes into the water, to test if its to their liking. The problem is BHD, is a bit of an over-serviced route, where yeild will be cut dramaticaly in the summer as bmibaby and flybe fight for PAX. Both going 2xDaily, it will mean a lot of empty seats. With baby being established on the route aswell people may be more likley to look on their site, as I have not seen any BE adverts in the papers. Personally I would of preffered them starting a service to Aberdeen or Newcastle as their first route. The would kill Eastern on the NCL rouite and Aberdeen will have some higher yeilding traffic with about the same amount of PAX on the seats as a BHD service. They are too bases so, there would be no need of a base at CWL, yet. Personaly I would love them to serve CDG, and if a base is announced then I can see that being a major possibility for 08, but they need to be succsesful on the BHD route first and will that happen.:confused: -(I Think-:()

Thank you
 

Thanks!Very interesting:ok:

I've also heard this, and they have pulled LBA and MME already apparently. There are a number of routes operated from BRS that aren't operated at CWL.
I really hope CWL can pull their finger out and do well over the next few days with the BRS airlines. Plus there hasn't been much time to plan anything!
You never know, my personal belief is that the pulled out to use the a/c elsewhere, not due to poor performance. Now they have more a/c due soon it could be a possibility. They are still operating 3 routes for S07 (x2 under KM a/c)

sorry i didnt know what a/c flybe operated a friend of mine works with them and stated they will base a/c at cwl just testing the water first,i thought there a/c were atrs shows how much i know.regarding xl coming back like caardiff said they didnt pull out due to poor performance they needed the a/c else where,they have 2 737-900 being delivered this year plus 4 more 737-800 and none of them are to replace a/c there joining the fleet.Cardiff is back on there list for s2008 also east midlands and extra a/c at brs for when there contract with air malta runs out.hopefully cwl will learn from there lesson next time and dont triple there fees after 6 months like last year.

SMILE

You got the first bit right by dipping toes in water

Then they bugger off!

By the way, high yield passengers prefer good service, not pay pay and more pay once they get on board i.e low cost airlines

What nonsense is this? Please don't post this kind of statement if you cannot support it ... which you can't, as it isn't true.

While I'm sure BE would do well on CWL-NCL and ABZ, NCL isn't a Flybe base and I don't think ABZ is either (and why doesn't everybody give Eastern a break!!):confused: :confused:

SWBKCB

Its not so much giving Eastern a break as, and I can only speak for the Newcastle route, the aircraft that they are using are too small for this route. I have on a number of occasions had to travel to Bristol an drive to Cardiff as the Eastern flights have been full. This is parrticularly true on a Monday and Friday, I never had this problem with Air Wales when then ran the route. Folks not been able to get a seat on the plane is bad for Cardiff airport and the economy of the airport itself. I would be more than happy to give Eastern a break as I have no problems with there in flight service but they have completly the wrong aircraft on this route.

On the flybe issue on the front page of our local newpaper here in Newcastle at the beginning on December was a interesting news item about Newcastle becomming the next BE base. Quite a few new routes were given by BE as possibilities for this new base and Cardiff was one route. We are expecting and announcement before the end of January. Hopefully this will come off.

Thanks

Yes just checked and neither of them are BE bases, sorry:{

Wellington Bomber- To substansuate a point, yes the Eastern flughts to NCL are often full on Mon' and Friday, there is a shown deamand for a Q400. High yeilding PAX do want further service than a LOCO will offer. But a challenge, persay, if both BE and Eastern offered a LOCO service for CWL-NCL wich would most companies prefer to chose, unless they were high up BE I think. And if you did it on Eastern and I did it on BE, you paid for nothing extra and I had a bottle of Champagne and food, which would be cheaper? Hmm. Plus BE offers a Econemy + section on the plane so, would 'mop up' most of Eastern PAX:E

Smile!!!

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Except maybe that you arrived in NCL in the middle of the day and I arrive early morning and return the same day, where as you have to overnight to catch the return flight as the aircraft is doing something else on its return to Cardiff maybe some remote French village, where it goes tech and you have your flight cancelled because it is a low cost carrier and you have paid for no frills.

Eastern will find another aircraft or possibly reroute the Southampton into Cardiff first. I rest my case while you have your champagne in the Newcastle Travel Inn or GNER buffet car

Teething problems with the Q400 is no argument, those old J42s, arent exactly reliable now are they. And what do you mean I arrived in the middle of the day? I was basing it on a made up scenario where flybe operated the NCL-CWL segments, they would go in the morning.

Can that frankly be the end of the argumenet. Please PM me with further arguments.

Back on to CWL, it looks absolutley packed today! Like a busy summers afternoon. Lets hope it will attract some airlines to CWL!

Hi!

Just a quick question to the Cardiff regulars-

How are you all getting on at Cardiff with the extra workload? Is the infrastructure holding up OK?

There were so many aircraft there when I came by, it looked like a "what might have been" shot (or possibly "what fans of CWL would prefer to have"!).

Daniel