But +26% also means that MAG look as if they are going to get a good return on their investment.

With the development of a new mini terminal for prestige passengers Long haul (or mid haul) is where the growth will come

Watch this space

STN-MBJ February 2016
 

Can any one shed some light on the flights being operated out of STN in Feb 2016 to Montego Bay by TOM on a 787??? Sold out as well...

Given that growth is Ryanair passengers, it would be interesting to see how that return on investment is generated. It can only be via % of retail profits rather than market rate airport charges?

Plus all those £2 the airport picks up when passengers are dropped off or picked up by car.

£2.oo ?
 

Stansted haven't charged for pickups or drop off from the terminal for months, as long as it takes no longer than five minutes (or the ANPR cameras get you)

Flew from Stansted for the first time in years just before Christmas. It was like hell on earth. People everywhere, not enough seats. Horrible forced flow through a shopping mall. Even the No 1 lounge is closing down. The Stansted Express is also not fit for purpose. No wonder EZY are abandoning . Ironically FR was a lot better than expected.

If only you could experience other airports at the same time. Try the horrid experience that is Luton right now. It's pretty dire everywhere at this time of year. Busy terminals, large amounts of employees on leave, construction.

Here we go again....ours is better than yours, please lets not start sawing sawdust again. Accept bmaviscounts experience without having to start gocompare and become all defensive.

Incredible that contributors to this forum explain that EZY should be expanding at STN, that they cannot compete with FR.

I think what we have here by easyJet that their unit cost is higher than FR. Equally they are not will to get into a price war where FR will stick it out. Such activity is unsustainable and make commercial sense, typically to avoid.

It's dog eat dog , there is a pecking order, and carriers avoid picking spats with bigger competitors. easyJet won't put it up to DY, FR, Wizz and they are on the fence with VY.

Equally easyJet are happy to fight hard where they can win, eg v EI, BE etc.

Easyjet compete comfortably with FR on markets where they are well established and the 2,have a stable yet sustainable frequency. Eg common routes ex BRS, LPL, MAN etc. worth nothing that in many of these UK markets easyJet is bigger.

I accept that people are entitled to their opinions but this is taking the p*** isn't it? I think people should consider the fact that STN is still undergoing a lot of construction work before coming on here and mouthing off about what a terrible experience they've had or making ridiculous statements like "no wonder EZY are abandoning". Anyone who genuinely thinks that reasoning is at all true is deluded.

By the end of the project there will have been:
An increase in Security lanes from 18 to 22
70% increase in seating compared to the original layout
A broader range of shops/restaurants to suit more passenger markets
a brand new Escape business lounge

Plus...
Continuous efforts to improve rail links with support from the Davies commission
A new 329 bed hotel being approved from Uttlesford District council.
Plus almost a 12% year-on-year increase in passenger numbers.

Oh yes, those are the facts!

Those of you who's airport experience is made so outrageous by a 5 minute walk through a Duty Free shopping area really need to get over yourselves! You are not "forced through shopping malls". Hundreds, if not thousands of airports do exactly the same thing.

Also note that bmaviscount's experience was "just before christmas", I'm just curious but was it 22nd December??

Stansted is getting better, but has a hell of a long way to go:ok:

I see Stansted is getting a shed load of Gatwick diversions.

I guess STN is best placed to accommodate most diverted flights. A few going to LTN also it seems

FRatSTN: General public do not think about the long benefits when they are inconvenienced by building works. They think about what's best for themselves at the time. If they think they had a bad experience last time then it generally has an effect on their choice for their next decision. Just ask shop owners / shopping malls... (Some might argue STN is already this) it can take a significant length of time and advertising on behalf of the shop/centre to get the trade back once redevelopment work has been completed.

Captain Caveman ~ price determines almost everything at the low cost level. the passengers will easily forget.


as to EZY reducing the STN flying program, they have a finite amount of aircraft and will put them where they can make the best return, they have a lot of LGW slots to use and for them LGW is better than LGW. RYR cant get the slots at LGW so will continue to focus on STN for their London hub, they will operate some flights at LTN just to keep STN on its toes or to extract route development money from the LTN Airport.


personally I dislike the shopping centre but if STN has the best price/schedule then I will live with it as the alternative is a two hour journey to another airport.

Is there a site which lists all the DIVs that Stansted received the other day from LGW ?

Im also curious as to how many stands STN had avalaible over the timescale of the incident

and whether the increased volume affected RYR movements ?

Just curious !

I think I can guess why you might be curious. Me too!
Possibly one of the spotters forums will have the information.
It was mentioned on another site that STN did eventually shut up shop.

Bagso
I can tell you STN took 9 diverts in total - all narrow bodies.
No major impact to the operation but it was challenging dealing with the additional baggage offloads & arranging onward transportation.
We have taken more during previous incidents & have suffered for it.
So there is a policy & once we hit the agreed level we NOTAM no more except emergency traffic.
Hope that helps.

Many thanks.

Most confess I thought it was a lot more than that.

Just quite suprised that LTN took 12 given the size of the place compared to STN. Even BOU took 5.

Remember LTN is no stranger to EZY, MON & TOM - all based airlines and procedures in place to take them, crewing etc.

BBC News - Stansted delays after Ryanair plane error

Passengers at Stansted Airport were delayed by up to an hour on Sunday after a Ryanair plane dropped arriving passengers off at a departures gate. A Stansted spokesman said the flight from Lisbon arrived at 9:20 GMT and that the passengers had to be processed through departures security before moving to the arrivals lounge. This caused delays but the airport was "slowly" returning to normal, he said.
Stansted is to hold an investigation into the incident, he added.


seems strange, were the doors just set wrong? reading other stories online I suspect they had to evacuate the departures lounge but I cant confirm that

Is it actually within the power of Ryanair to "drop passengers off" at any gate?? Let alone, the "plane" rather than the airline making that decision? I appreciate that smart technology is the rage today, but I had hoped they hadn't yet given Boeing 737s the power of thinking for themselves!!!!

Honestly, sloppy journalism is certainly alive and well and residing at BBC Broadcasting House - I suppose the reporter was some cub, on duty whilst the "transport correspondent" was at home with his feet up.

I have arrived at Gatwick where it was the norm if parked at certain gates to walk through the departure lounge. Think I have also done that as well as Glasgow.

Only arriving of a domestic flight maybe. All arriving international flights are separated from departing passengers.

"Is it actually within the power of Ryanair to "drop passengers off" at any gate??"


I think it might be in the powers of Swissport to set the gates incorrectly feeding arriving passengers into the departures channel although that is not necessarily what happened.
update 18:18 ~ the daily mail (that well respected piece of ......) is quoting the airport as saying " a small number of passengers managed to get into the departures lounge" It looks like a door problem rather than a staff problem

I would imagine some of the FR pax may have got into departures which would (a big security no no btw nowadays) rendering the departure lounge and all pax within 'non sterile' requiring a departure lounge sweep and pax in it being re-screened ouch

I believe that is what is supposed to happen anyway. Sounds like a handling agent or airport worker left a door open sending pax down the departures route rather than thru the correct door thru arrivals route.....

I have done this several times at LGW from International flights.

My flight was from Canada into Gatwick. We definitely walked through the departure lounge of what I would call the round sub terminal of the south terminal as it was only the week before that I flew out from the same gate.

Up until a few years ago this was indeed the case at the South Terminal satellite, but (I assume D of T) now require all inbound international passengers do not mingle with the outbound ones.

All arriving passengers into the UK from overseas have been segregated from departing passengers for decades. This happened just after the North Terminal at Gatwick was opened, T4 at LHR was designed to keep them apart. You may walk past the departing pax at the Gatwick Satellite but you were kept apart by glass screens.

I wouldn't say decades, certainly 15 years or so ago arrivals into Gatwick satellite mixed it with the departing passengers.

I wouldn't say decades, certainly about 15 years ago arrivals were still mixing with the departing passengers at Gatwick's satellite.

Agreed, my experience was in the last 20 years and probably around the 18 year mark.

That's interesting, I was sure the legislation was brought into place in the early 90s. Anyone confirm?

It may well have done, but I think the problem at the Gatwick South Satellite was all the passengers going both ways had to use the same shuttle to the main terminal. I seem to remember (and I can't remember when) they had to do major work to keep them separated, and I haven't flown from the satellite for quite a few years, I think you now walk to the main terminal.

In 2002 I arrived at Gatwick on an Edinburgh flight and found the walkways set up to direct people towards a departing Ukraine Air International flight. Didn't seem to be a big issue then, the cabin crew just turned us around.

In 2003 they had started photographing arriving domestic passengers to make sure the same person walked out the other end, and building work to keep people separate had started

AFAIK, segregation of international arriving paxfrom departing pax goes back further.

Segregation of domestic/common travel area arriving pax from departing pax is more recent, hence recent reconfiguration of airside at EDI, GLA and LHR-1 (and others?).



Caused delays and congestion at LGW-1! Is it still going on or has the pier been redevelopped?

There is no requirement to separate arriving Domestic passengers with departing passengers in the U.K. Arriving CTA passengers ARE required to reclear security.

Another excellent month for Stansted pax figures..December + 18.5% for an extra 250,000 on the month,making the 12 month moving total now just a fraction shy of the 20M mark...Cargo also +30% on the month....