BIRMINGHAM - 2
 

Previous thread here:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...65#post2717865

DL 757's to Europe
 

With the possible purchase of 10 ex TWA (now AA) 757's BHX must be
in with a chance of a JFK service.

However if approved by the bankruptcy courts the first two deliveries
would not be until July 2007 (all taken from another forum).

With NW intending to use 757's across the pond, US & AA already started there is plenty of possibilities.

There must be enough demand for at least one more service if not two?

AA to ORD would I presume be a 763 and although rumoured time and
time again I just can't see this happening but it would be a great coup.

Pete

BMI Baby
 

Anymore takers?

There is still a spare slot from 6am-9.30 Monday to Friday.

The timetable sounds all a bit short for advertising etc.

Could it be the once rumoured Jersey or another Irish route such
as Shannon.

Is it definitely a new destination and if so would that be for both
BHX and Baby or just Baby?

Pete

BMI Baby
 

Not Newquay again???

Centre cities

its NOT a new route for BHX but is for bmibaby!

so that obviously rules NQY out for you Centre Cities.......

was quite suprised myself when i heard it, but bmibaby like a battle and will enjoy the competition, will be nice to fly a boeing on the route for the BHX pax!

BHX
"Simple, BHX hasnt attracted the expansive Easy Jet and shunned Ryanair with its over priced fees. The facts are starting to bite now. Monarch only serve charter destinations further undermining BHX former strong charter traffic, BMI Baby havent expanded this year at all. BACON are will be head-to-head with Flybe on 3 routes BHD,HAJ and ABZ someone will be the looser there! New destinations are whats needed and another US link. I have it from good authority that AA ORD may be on the cards again! Forget the FlyWhos it wont happen. Major airlines should be looking at BHX Britains second city so why arnt they?
Daza" from Dasz

In a nut shell Birmingham is stuck about 15 years in the past, the airport is always playing catch up with development, look at the short pier, why has that not been extended and the long pier torn down, why has the plans for the runway to be extended been on ice for the last 20 years, why do we have the backward rules here such as not using a taxiway before 6am. If I was in charge at Birmingham I would close it for a year, level it and start again. The bigest problem for Birmingham is that its owned (well 51% of it) by the local council, and everybody there want to see money spent on hospitals and schools i.e vote winners, if you want to see real expantion at the airport then it needs to be in private hand lock, stock and barell, maybe the local council should sell out to BAA and then we could start going places........:ugh:

bmibaby
 

bmibabyfc

You tease!

Does it involve the spare craft between 6am & 9.30am or are they
re-arranging a couple of the other schedules to get a 2 hour route in?

At least you have discounted a lot of routes.

New to baby but not to BHX and one with no Boeing!!!

It is getting late....I need some sleep before narrowing it down
to about 40 :eek:

At the moment any extra flights will be greatly appreciated
outside of AGP,ALC etc which of course this will not be.

Pete

ha ha!!! sorry dont want to keep you up!:)

i wish it was somewhere glamorous as an extra agp or alc etc but i doubt others would view it like that!

one final clue to you is that its a domestic route!

Heathrow...........................

I guess it must be INV as a wild stab...?

ooh getting very close with INV now....

BMI Baby
 

Wow - Domestic

Aberdeen (Flybe to start so probably not although it is not until March)
Inverness
Newcastle (a bit of a short sector for a 737 - thought BE might dabble)
Isle of Man (no chance - I hope)
Belfast City (no chance.)

So Inverness is my guess. If not Aberdeen then Newcastle.

Is this a temporary route or to operate during the winter?

Pete

bmi baby
 

it is glasgow. without a doubt

I too will say INV.

Don't think my local as there was a recent interview in the local press here with bmi Reg, they said they didn't envisage bmi Baby coming to ABZ on the grounds of operating costs. Any further ABZ expansion from bmi Gp will likely be of the Regional/Barbie variety.

Suppose things can change, but don't see it!

Can I change my guess from INV to GLA? :O

BMI Baby
 

If it is Glasgow we have been led up the garden path........New Route for
Baby was one quote. As far as I am aware they have been flying
EMA-GLA for quite a long time.

On that basis it has to be ABZ, INV or NCL.

ABZ would be very interesting with Flybe starting in March 07, Inverness might end up a disaster in one way, as it could scare Eastern off the route and Newcastle I suspect will never happen as a 735/733.

The spare slot for the route is first thing, Mon-Fri and if it is this time
then INV would possibly be fine. ABZ might need a morning and evening
flight to disrupt BACON.

Pete

baby to glasgow
 

reason I said glasgow was been discussed in our l/c office for ages, with both station manager of baby suggesting the next routes would be CDG and GLA out of bhx.

The quote about it being a new route for baby might indicate out of bhx meaning it could be GLA, depends how you take the comment I guess.

BMI Baby
 

bazzab68

Yes it depends on how you read it "new route for Baby"

I hope it is Glasgow, if has to be a route with existing competition.

CDG would be good if true as well and give BACON & AF something to
think about.

I am a great supporter of BA out of BHX but I would have preferred
them to go full LCC with old 733's instead of this 145 network.
However that was always going to be a non-starter due to the
existing fleet in place.

Check out the CAA provisional stats for BHX and some of the BACON
routes are suffering, others have improved slightly & I just hope the cost
savings are enough to save the station but I have my doubts.

Good on Baby and although they have not done much in 2006 at BHX
I hope there is more to come.

Peter

BMI Baby
 

What are the chances of an increased frequency on the BHX to BFS route from the current 3 per day? It carries more pax than BFS to Man but at a lower frequency.

Anyone any views who might know?

BMI Baby
 

True Blue

Certainly the Belfast Int figures have increased impressively.

It is a bit of a strange route in as much as when you do hear pax loads
from various sources they are usually not that good but the CAA stats
certainly do not lie.

I think in April it averaged around about the hundred mark, which
considering BACON started City in the same month it is a pretty
good result for Baby.

The provisional stats for June are out but Belfast Int has not filed
the figures. Belfast City have and they are down about 2000 this is
all from a net increase on the previous 12 months of three flights
a day. Far from stimulating interest in the route BACON has
actually depressed it or Baby have lured them away to Int.

As for yields on these routes I have no idea but something has
got to give. Already the BACON RJ100 flight (first one out) has been
been doing BHX-GLA instead recently. Whether this was pre-planned
I do not know.

At the moment pax wise it seems that Baby are winning, Flybe are
not doing too bad (remember some services have changed to the
DH8) and BACON appears to be struggling unless they are getting
good yields.

To answer your question, I think Baby would be better to attack
BACON on the Glasgow - Just would like BHX would actually get
some new routes!

Pete

BMI Baby
 

Read your response with interest. Checked the April Caa stats. The Bacon service started 12 April. For April, The BHX - BHD route carried approx 23,500 pax, down 5%. The BHX - BFS route carried approx 16,700, up 73%. That says a lot. Although when you look at the additional charges ex BHD, it is no wonder that pax are moving in increasing numbers to BFS.

True Blue

Re bmi B's new domestic route, when is any annoucement due?

bmibabyfc said we were "close" with INV, so I assume it's in Scotland somewhere, but not INV itself. NCL ain't "close" to INV, then again neither is anywhere else! :}

Then again, neither is my place! :\

Any other clues bmibabyfc? If not INV, would I need to head down the A9 or across the A90 for the answer? Re the destination, what is the area famous for (I'm fishing for clues)?

If it is GLA, would that be necessarily a surprise, given that bmi B already fly BHX-EDI?

Oban.

Ha ha ha! :}

Baby's new route really has to be either GLA or CDG for the timings to fit in the current fleet plans. With only one spare aircraft on the ground for a morning rotation though, would either of these destinations be viable on a once daily service?I know we are just months into the BA connect business plan, but do we have any idea actually how well they are doing and whether they are keeping to any targets set by the powers that be? The loads on the BCN and MAD seem relitively high and a couple of others are ok but on the whole, pax wise, other destinations are lagging well behind the competition, BE, WW and LH. IF BACON dont pull up their socks and regional operations do get severly cut back / stopped completely - what does the future hold for BA at BHX? Could we see GB Airways put in there for the previously mentioned viable routes or even mainline on some W patterns from LHR or LGW?

all will be revealed soon my friends!

as previously stated its not an airport that bmibaby currently fly into or out of..... so i guess that rules GLA out, which by the way is now x4 daily from EMA.

Wouldn't be Dundee would it ? Failing that I'm going with Aberdeen....

I would think CDG then. It's served (only) twice daily ex EMA (WW5251/5253), plus BA Connect and Air France/CityJet could use some competition on the route (considering the fares they typically charge).

Cheers :cool:

CDG is domestic then? Here's me thinking CDG was in France. :confused:

Who said it HAD to be domestic? INV would probably not fill a 737 (not even a -500) from BHX. Then again, if it does turn out to be domestic, why not JER - to turn the heat on Flybe?

What BHX needs (apart from a takeover by BAA :E ) is a number of NEW routes (ex: Central Europe, Baltic States, Balkans, Austria, etc)

Cheers :cool:

bmi baby
 

Thought I might add to this.
Baby have pulled the Knock from MME so could there be a new route heading MME's way? maybe BHX? Probably a bit to short a route to be operated by a 737. If not could the two (MME and BHX) get the same service ie. both into INV?

I was going by bmibabyfc saying that it was:

i. domestic and, ii. "close" to INV, earlier in the thread.

He could have been joking of course!

Winter 2006/7 Schedules
 

Ryanair - Same as now with a few timing adjustments most noticeable
the Sunday am flight is now around midday.

SkyEurope - Yes a strange one. Twice a week as now similar timings but
on a Thursday & Sunday and at the moment it does not
operate between 28/10 and 14/12!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The service was apparently under review and all the other
winter schedules were loaded well before BHX.

The rumour was an increase in frequency and better timings.
The CAA stats prove the service is not working as it is!

Air Malta - Hurrah good news, showing as 4 a week Mo, Tue, Thur and Sat evening. Doubled from last winter!

Peter

PIA at BHX
 

Following on from the Stansted news or rumour of the new service there
is a possibility that BHX will be getting a 777 on a couple of the flights.

Nothing is showing on the various websites (just like the Stansted service)
but local info suggests it is going to happen.

CAA stats for BHX- ISB show good loads but once again no info known re yields.

Anyone else heard anything?

Pete

Heard from PIA engineers that B777 sat/sun from end of month.

PIA 777
 

R J

Cheers for that, should make Saturdays Interesting: -

2 x AI 777
1 x EK 773
1 x PK 777
1 x EK 330
1 x TS 310

Plus the TOM 763 is in and out three times, also I think the TOM 762
is also due to be based from the end of the month (can anyone confirm?).

Pete

Not unless BMI Baby have a drastic change to their fleet. Wont get a 737 into Dundee.

First PK was due to be today, been replaced by A310 AP-BEG

Thats strange because we wern't expecting them til next weekend anyway. Me thinks someone in BIA got their dates mixed up:eek:

BMI Baby
 

Any news on this new route for August, which was due to be announced shortly (as of last week)?

Jethroes is now showing three more 733's due at some point, are these
extras or replacing some of the 735's?

Also are they ex Easy machines and if extra to the fleet is there any
possibility that BHX might get a 6th based?

Pete

Regarding PIA, the airline will commence its twice weekly Stansted service ( Tue and Sat) from 1st of August.Hopefully BHX should see a 777 service on the weekends.