Sounds like there was at least an attempt to reach a compromise between the two:

http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/news/...A25%3A11%3A687

Assuming the figures are correct in the article, I doubt those extra 172 pax would have been worth £140,000 to the airport.

Don't have the advantage of knowing the MD of NWI, which Doors to Automatic has, and therefore have no reason to disagree with him. I am sure he is a thoroughly decent chap. He probably has, however, to satisfy evil accountants whose long term vision does not quite extend to envisaging that Flybe might just decide that it is too much hard work, and sod Norwich. What good would that do for Norfolk travellers? NWI used to be owned by a consortium of local and county public authorities - not perhaps the most dynamic of a team, and not especially clued up on aviation, but I am starting to sound like a nostalgic as well as cynical old fart in wishing a return to those days.

Hang on a second, flybe were short by 172 pax, they paid or offered free flights to people to try and meet that target or faced a big fine? Hope I'm not missing too much here but smart move and well done flybe:D! I think the last laugh has been on the NWI airport managers:{. £3 to pass through the airport where has that money gone and do they know exactly what they are going to do with it? There is a good catchment of passengers who would use the airport but with probably the highest airport tax in the country Stansted seems like a well worth journey. Wake up NWI or me thinks job cuts on the way at the airport.:(

I have to say I like using Norwich to fly long distance.( AMS )
However I object to the surcharge.
Norwich is on the road to nowhere.

FlyBe are in a strong position.

The managers have to climb down or lose the traffic to Stansted:D

> £3 to pass through the airport where has that money gone and do they
> know exactly what they are going to do with it?

Part new tower as part of an £18m package announced a year ago...

http://www.uk-airport-news.info/norw...ews-190308.htm

"New Norwich Airport control tower opens
19.03.08

£400,000 upgrade of part of an air traffic control tower is set to open at Norwich Airport. The tower gains a new weather reporting systems and radar screens, as well as a modern communications system"

I have a suggestion for the usage of the £3 fine.

Give it to the refuellers as an incentive to stay on duty until the airport closes. NWI-MAN cancelled on 3rd March as Flybe's replacement aircraft which landed at 21:30 (flight delayed till then as earlier A/C had gone tech) because they couldn't get hold of the fuellers, dspite the AD being open until 22:15. :mad:

Yes, I am aware prior notice is required after 1930(local) and perhaps Flybe were at fault here for not informing them but still not something you'd expect at an 'INTERNATIONAL' airport...... :rolleyes:

If FlyBe pull out there are in the sh@@. Only KLM are there and they have them by the b@@ls.

\\\\\\\remote airport in the middle of nowhere.

Other side of the story: Norwich Airport lost £500,000 last year

For the airport to start going whinging about the environment in these circumstances is one of the most pathetic things I have ever heard... or do they want to be a Sheffield City Airport?

Phil Space

Sorry to contradict you but Eastern are there are also with a Saab 2000 which operates to ABerdeen and a twice weekly charter to Groningen, and before Flybe entrenched into Norwich Eastern also operated to Edinburgh

And NWI-MAN

Dont forget bmi regional. ABZ-NWI is still around

There is plenty of doubt, as has been expressed here!

So... if you were flyBE, what would you have done? Manufactured 172 pax or paid NWI £280k?

And what did NWI achieve by "Standing up to them"? Specifically, in these circumstances, what is the difference between "standing up to them" and "throwing their toys out the pram in a huff at losing £280k"

Aren't both parties at fault here?

NWI at fault for offering such a strange deal on the face of it (targets are all very well, but how can you guarantee "x" no. of passengers will fly a particular route in a given timeframe?). And Flybe at fault for agreeing to it & thus risking a fine!

OK, you can FORECAST your passengers for the year ahead, but that's all it will EVER be - a forecast, NOT a guarantee.

nicnak, you said "There's no doubt that this complete and utter madness must be laid fair and square at the Flybe door".

Not sure what hallucenagenics you're on but if its true that BE have flown 136k over the last year, as opposed to the 70 k they were contracted to fly, its got to be a brave MD at NWI that goes on the telly to criticise his biggest customer. And an even braver MD that reports to his Board that he's turned down a no-strings attached £50k and preferred instead to try and play the eco-warrior with the media - the cretin runs an airport, not an organic asparagus farm!

I can't see how flybe are in the wrong here.:confused: They met their target, flew more passengers than they agreed to with the airport by nearly 100% but were falling short until tonight on one route. Airport gets more passengers, flybe don't get fined approx £250k. Wake up NWI.:ugh: Think it all comes down to money which Nwi sound like they are desperate for and probably gutted more than anything that a huge amount may slip by. Think every airline would do the same as flybe:D. I hope flybe stay cause I and lots off my friends use them a lot and hope they introduce some more routes:ok:, Eastern and BMIregional will are too expensive and will bring numbers of passengers down more:(.

Sorry to reiterate the point but I cannot believe the NWI management has used the environment card, the saying those who live in greenhouses musn't throw stones is very apt here one thinks!

How some people on here can only blame flyBe is utter madness. I don't see what they have actually done wrong?:ugh:

The MD of FlyBE is very familiar with the ways of NWI, he is ex Air UK.

I'm sure when FlyBE signed such an agreement they had already figured out that they could give tickets away to make up the numbers, if NWI couldn't see such a loophole in the agreement well that's 'hard cheese'.

Good on FlyBE, I, and many of you, would have done exactly the same thing ourselves :)

TOM Summer 2009 looking like

Corfu – TOM – Tuesdays
Gran Canaria – AEA – Mondays
Ibiza – TOM – Saturdays
Lanzarote-LTE-Thursdays
Malta-KM-Tuesdays
Menorca-TOM-Monday
Palma – AEA Tuesday and Sunday, TOM Thursday
Paphos-ECA-Wednesday
Tenerife-AEA-Tuesdays

Doesnt appear to be any change from Summer 2008

yeh just the same except an extra flight to Palma in 2009 :ok:

I think that extra Palma is a current First Choice only flight that Thomson will now share on

Oh yeh looks like it is :)

Who Can Afford It?
 

For convenience I would use NWI every time, and it is a great airport to fly from and to, but the price of such convenience is now so high that I have to look at the Stansted and Luton options - also for their greater range of destinations and numbers of flights. If I was taking a family, say two adults and two children, then for many direct flights I would find NWI unaffordable - and that is without the outrageous additional £3.00 development fee (ADF).

To take an example off the web at today's fares - NWI to CDG on 15 June and returning on 22 June for a family of four - not counting baggage, car parking, environmental offset, speedy boarding and all the other extras. FlyBe from NWI (only one flight) comes to a grand total of £692.84, of which £263.48 is shown as airport charges and taxes. Easyjet from Luton (picking the cheapest flight options) comes to £222.32 of which £122.00 is airport charges and taxes. The Government taxes and CDG are common to both so discounting the airlines fare differences it would appear that NWI is around £140 more expensive for airport operator charges (to which you add the ADF) - is this really the case? If so I suggest that NWI really is trying to price itself out of the market. The difference of nearly £430 for a family of four more than pays the extra fuel cost and driving time to Luton for most people in the NWI catchment area.

Lest you think I have picked the worst example and dates this route and these dates were the only ones that I looked at - these days the choice is anyway very limited. I recognise that some comparisons would be better (or possibly worse) in terms of airline fares, but, presumably, not in terms of taxes and airport charges. I am willing to pay a reasonable premium for the convenience of NWI, and I would love to see the route structure being expanded - but at the moment the opposite is happening and the NWI management seems to be doing little about it - especially in terms of affordability and value for money!

JB

New NWI-ALC
 

A new route to Alicante and possibly other new destinations is to be officially announced on Friday.
The airline operating the new services has not been announced as yet but i think the most obvious airline will be Ryanair either operated by one of their based aircraft or even on a W flight from STN. Anyone any other thoughts?

http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/conte...A27%3A40%3A007

From that article:

More than one destination methinks? I just hope this is a sustainable business decision, not a knee jerk reaction to get back at BE that will last a season and then evaporate into thin air.

LTE

Regards

Mike

I was thinking a Spanish carrier but could't think of one that would be able to operate a service on a regualr basis other than a weekly charter service perhaps. Do you have any more knowledge on the frequency or best we wait until Friday...

yep i believe it is LTE, altough ryanair would be good:ok:, and Norwich has a new website!!

LTE start new spain routes
 

LTE have uploaded the flights to their website from Norwich - Alicante, it will operate Saturdays from the 5th July, the times are,
Norwich - Alicante
10:25 - 13:55
Alicante - Norwich
14:40 - 16:10
Flights are around £70 one way or £140 return.

Also there are flights from Norwich - Barcelona, again starting from the 5th July and will operate Saturdays, times are,
Norwich - Barcelona
17:25 - 20:50
Barcelona - Norwich
21:50 - 23:15
Fares start at around £70 one way or £140 return.

Looking at it those prices they seem very good because when i looked at Ryanairs website from STN - ALC departing on the 5th and returning on the 12th the price was £181:ooh:

That is a big coup for NWI! Wish all concerned well..

Those times indicate an aircraft positioning into NWI. So I would expect either a retime (maybe do a BCN-NWI-ALC-NWI-BCN since BCN is a LTE base) or another route

Should think that it would be another route which comes in on the Sat morning and then leaves back on the Sunday morning possibly.

i think i might be booking my summer holiday soon:ok:

Hope these routes do well!!!!!

And there will be another new route with LTE, you will also be able to fly from Norwich - Palma once a week at the weekend.

these flights will operate year round as well:ok:

http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/news/...A18%3A07%3A687

:hmm:

This just in about the dear old place from Auntie...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/norfolk/7364854.stm

May we expect a resignation, or a termination of employment on the part of the feared head of security at EGSH?
Still, it warms the old cockles to learn that someone can do a less effective job than Group 4, many of whose security staff would appear, by their demeanour, to have failed bank robber school.:uhoh:
That'll get one locked up for 28 days, going on 42 plus the thirty it takes the Commons to debate the matter. Still, another report today stated that prisons were now so comfortable, 'cushy' was the word used, that convicts do not even want to escape. Jolly good thing that, for Group 4 that is, if they have the contract for public protection from prisoners, ain't it?:D

The BBC got in, was able to wander around airside and even took away some books from the Head of Security's office, informed sources state that the Head of Security was incandescant with rage... because she hadn't fininshed colouring them in yet.....:E

Not good ... but is it only me that notes the "form of words used" both by the BBC and NWI??

What I'm reading suggests we are talking about a "controlled landside" area and not airside ...

???

The area shown is not anywhere near the live terminal area, there is a further checkpoint, manned and security screened were loose items are x-rayed and personal have to walk thru the 'Bleeping arch'.

:hmm:

Far as one can remember there are no jet fuel tanks near any hangars at EGSH. All the fuel is kept down at the depot on the little perimeter road and then tankered in through the main perimeter security gate to the aircraft.
However those with long memories will recall that during the cold war, Vulcan bombers used to sit at Norwich airport, 24/7, engines fired up waiting to go and bomb the Russians. These aircraft used to be fully armed with nuclear devices and would stand, loaded and locked, on the hard opposite what today is the new and improved hangar like terminal building, for use of which an extra tax, over and above that levied by the government's green political usury, is charged.
It was always rumoured that one or more nuclear device, disarmed of course, had been left at Norwich and indeed apparently one of these was almost fitted to the Vulcan which is now in the Norwich Aviation Museum at the upwindish end of Rwy 27 and which did indeed fly down towards the Malvinas during the British armed aggression there. It had to turn back when it arrived at Ascension Island, suffering from structural failure. Large chunks of its heat resistant tiles had started to fall of. After a long and exhaustive enquiry by the RAF adjudicatory panel into: Accidents that might have been, Vulcan, one of; it was determined that this was not due to Argentine sabotage but rather attributable to the quality of British workmanship and engineering locally at Felthorpe.
Anyway, the end result of all this is that if the very strong and substantiated rumours are correct, then what the BBC or other journalists saw and mistook for fuel tanks were in fact the underwing pods for the nuclear devices Devices which, furthermore, have apparently never been removed from their camouflaged casings, although they have apparently been rendered sufficiently safe as to satisfy Norwich City Council health and safety regulations which, as all who dwell in her know, are among the toughest in the country.:ooh:

Some good news to see weekend holidays flights to Croatia and Corsica with Holiday Options :Dhttp://news.cheapflights.co.uk/flights/2008/05/holiday-flights.html

These aren't new, just usual summer charters

Are the Holiday Options flights operated by Eastern Saab 2000s then?