Stansted Route
 

From a good source of information the Stansted might be rising up from the ashes in the not to distant.

From what I can make out a deal has been done between the airline and the airport.

This might have come about with British Midland doing a deal over the Heathrow service.

Do you happen to know which airline BALU??

Stansted here we come
 

Well jerboy

Try working it out I scratch your back and you scratch mine

What was in the local rag the end of last week one signs a deal and one complains.

Got the plot or shall i carry on

If we give you something you will not go no further rewfering to the article.

Get the idea.

With the summer being around the corner there is more like this going on.

Ahh should've guessed... been a long few days! Well I've not been on the rock for a good few weeks so haven't been able to see the thrilling rag you refer to :zzz:
But yeah I've seen enough to work out who... guess it doesn't take a genius!
Cheers!

BA
 

On a seperate note, just read on the WOW thread that BA are to drop the 6th JER-LGW in the summer... I'm guessing as a response to the LHR.

Is this confirmed or just a rumor? BA are still showing 6/7 rotations online.

Well jerboy well done for working the first one out.

As for the second one.

B.A. are fishing at the moment why operate to Jersey on the sixth rotation when we might win going to Newquay, that might have a better Noel Edmonds with operating that one.

Can you work that one out?

Deal Or No Deal.

New route or No route

It is a cruel world and cut throat on what goes on in the background of aviation.

Another route with competition...

Birmingham is now available to book on-line with bmibaby from Jersey. Looks like flights will operate on Sa/Su/Tu/Th.

Cardiff also goes 3x weekly up from just the weekend flight last summer.

Make Or Brake Time
 

Well what can one say the States can,t say it,s new routes but who will give in first.

It will be interesting what bull the local rag will make of this and how well the Airport Committee and there hench men have scored another success story for Jersey Airport.com

Competition is a good thing but over capicity is some thing differant who brakes first.

What Jersey really needs is routes into Europe not competition that cannot work good for the travelling public but how long for.

Had look a BMIbaby website and tried to book seats for August Bank Hols
and only four seat left on Sat 25th the BHX-JER sector.
I take it the up take has been very good as their fare structor will kill FlyBe.
Looking at under £100 return and FlyBe for the same time is compared to FlyBe's over £300
:D :D

What aircraft type is bmi going to use on the Heathrow, Birmingham and Cardiff flights?

Heathrow is with the A319 except Saturday evenings and Sunday mornings when it is an ERJ 145. The Birmingham/Cardiff flights are probably with the 733.

On the Birmingham route, I agree that there will be excess capacity this summer. Since 2004, with the introduction of Thomsonfly Coventry flights, Flybe passenger numbers have decreased considerably and bmibaby can only exacerbate this.

Nevertheless, the Flybe fares between Birmingham and Jersey are notoriously high thus competition is welcome if it drives down fares and generates new passengers. But with the likelihood of flights going 2x daily, as the bmibaby press release highlights, then something will have to give.

Definitely a make or break summer for Jersey Airport on a number of routes. It will be interesting next year to see what changes there will be as a result.

Its excellent news that WW are starting a BHX service from JER. Along with the new LHR, LTN, and increases to various other services its a sign that the industry are starting to show an interest in Jersey again, lost many years ago when the number of services from the rock started to decline.
Ok there may not be many routes to Europe but I honestly don't believe these would be that popular. In my experience in dealing with Jersey passengers the majority seem to be going further afield than Europe, and those that do travel to the continent are far too spread out to be served by just one airport. The only routes I do believe could work would be ones from Portugal or Poland... not because a lot of locals want to visit there, but because we have a huge working community from both of those countries.
Whilst Julian Green and the airport committee may be after all these 'flagship' routes to Europe, my belief is that these would not survive without heavy subsidy from the states. Instead we seem to be getting sorted a decent commercial network, with competition, that will ultimately serve islanders better. Let's not forget its not every regional airport's God-given right to be served by major national airlines to LHR and LGW, especially with Jersey's tiny catchment size.
Those of us that live on Jersey are more than used to having to connect at a UK airport to catch our flight to the sun, and in my opinion a better regional service (which would allow pax to connect onto where ever they like) far better serves the island than the few European destinations which would benefit the few, but would be irrelevant to many.
phew... don't know where that came from... just felt like saying it!! :bored:

Dear Trihandle,

Zurich Route
Wouldn't it make sense for VLM to use the Fokker 50 on a Mon to Fri service to Zurich as they have an aircraft sitting at Jersey airport for most of the day.




It might be sitting for nearly seven hours though,
The Jer shift either starting from ANR/BRU/RTM or MAN via LCY and same routing back consists of nearly 13.5 duty hours.
So an extra rotation includes 6 landings in total therefore ones goes over the magic 14 hours.

Grtz

Fokker52

Flight Time Limitations
 

The Fokker 50 day stops route is Antwerp-City-Jersey-City-Antwerp yes only afour sector day but one need to know on flight time limitations to find out if the crew could fit in another two sectors if they were very short possible.

The idea to operate to somewhere like Zurich a number of commercial thoughts goes into this one where do we fit a second crew into this pattern do we operate to Zurich i think the answer is no so to have one turnaround per day not cost effective enough.

So the idea to operate instead of having a lay over in my opinion will not happen.

From the 1st March the VLM day stop will be MAN-LCY-JER rtn

Flybe have put the full Jersey summer schedule on sale now. Good news is that we will have a 2x daily flights to Manchester and 1x on a Sunday from the end of March. Flights from Jersey to Manchester are not available yet, should be soon, but the booking engine shows that the flights arrive at around 09:25 and 18:20 on weekdays, which gives the possibility for a day return.

Flybe will also begin 1x daily Guernsey flights from Manchester and Norwich goes daily from the islands albeit with a combined flight (except on Saturdays when flights are direct).

There may be a few modifications to this but the above does seem to be the basic gist of the changes for the summer.

Flybe in trouble?
 

All of a sudden, things look a bit dicey for Flybe ... see FT article on front page (Rumours and News) ... not like them to sensationalise.

Will they conclude BACON purchase tomorrow? If not, where next?

Worst case scenario for JER? Flybe goes belly up. Chances of replacement at short notice? Jet 2? Easy? (Gasp ...) FR. Could be a bit uncomfortable.

As for today's bleating in the JEP over the subsidy for BMI's LHR route, a little hypocritical I think. BE was perfectly willing to take a subsidy for operating Paris route (indeed, more than was being offered); as for "offer" to operate LHR route from JER, complete piffle. They offered slots to JER (in full knowledge that States, or any non-airline couldn't own them), then sold them to QF at a considerable profit.

Hopefully BE can pull through, but I wouldn't like to be Mike French tonight; possibly a very poor night's sleep ahead ...

Or even Jim (call me James) French!!

A lot of people will be on tender hooks untill tomorrow has come and gone but untill the full picture appears on the 1st of March there might be more the Jimmy the French having a sleepless night tonight and tomorrow.

We can only hope they do know what they are doing but look a managements past records and work out for ones self what the out come might be.

Lets hope the 1st of march brings a lot of relief and not dissapointment.

Just as well April the 1st is still a little way away.

Applications published by the CAA today are:

Air Southwest...charter service between Leeds/Bradford and Jersey
Air Southwest...charter service between Stansted and Jersey
BMI Baby....scheduled service between Birmingham and Jersey

Application granted

Thomsonfly scheduled service between Luton and Jersey

Future Routes.
 

Anyone any information on the following.

Talk about the following routes or is it just the normal wind from high up at the airport.

The following routes Jersey to Paris or near by as in the likes of Ryanair
Jersey to Stansted
Jersey to Geneva or Zurich
Jersey to London City more rotations?

Three of these routes were spoken about in an airport forum update recently
can any one through any light at all on any these or is it hot air from the top and these or some will never happen.

We have heard some of this in the past and still hasn,t come to being.

The last one was the Heathrow which had been talked about for a long time but this is happening and start on the 25th March so some of the above might happen?

Got a call from bmi today re Sunday's inaugural to LHR. Flight is being moved to 9.25am departure, from 8.40 (or so). Not sure if this is the case with all flights, or just the inaugural; inbound connections would certainly benefit from a slightly later departure from LHR.

Inaugural flight will be operated by A319, not Embraer 145, although future Saturday evening/Sunday morning services will be operated by 145s.

I see Sen. Ben Shenton is moaning about the subsidy, arguing that even though we're not in the EU, we should bear in mind EU law. (We did and it didn't help); pity even some politicians seem not to see the whole picture as far as getting air routes for JER is concerned. :rolleyes:

More to come may be?
 

Well akerosid
Is this not good in some ways the tax payer need to know but if Franks and his hench men have over steped there little world could the E.U. fall on this?

Well no as the Channel islands are not in the E.U. so interesting times on this little number I think?

I may be a little biased, as I've been campaigning for the return of the LHR route for some time and consequently, I want to see it brought back whatever the cost. However, the point I would make is that smaller communities, particularly island communities which obviously have no road/rail links, have to go out into the market and hustle. If airlines like Flybe can change the way they operate to suit the new market, airports and communities should be allowed to do so also. Stopping them from doing so and tying their hands and restricting them is fundamentally unfair.

A sustainable economy for a community like Jersey depends on enticing new carriers and for a small community to do so, it needs to be generous in the incentives it provides. I think this is particularly the case in relation to LHR; the UK govt is wilfully blind to the needs of smaller communities, by considering London as one market and therefore, not understanding the importance of connectivity through LHR (as compared to say LTN or STN); in an Open Skies environment, I see some peripheral UK markets losing their links.

If the govts don't recognise the reality of how important access to major hubs is and if the EU tries to prohibit govt owned airports from offering good deals, then it seems the deck is stacked very much against more peripheral communities - and in favour of wealthier and more profitable destinations. I certainly don't see that as an acceptable or fair situation and I think the Jersey authorities are perfectly right to do whatever they need to do to put on the map and make us more accessible.

Future Routes
 

We could do with a better service from NCL to Jersey. The current weekly summer Sat only single flight is not enough. I have tried booking for early July for Mon to Fri and it is difficult, even via another airport. We used to have several flights per week at one time, schedule and charter, but its just one 70 seater per week now.

195 ...
 

Jersey will see its first regular Embraer 195 service on Saturdays, BHX-JER-BHX. Return flight from JER at 13.50. :ok:

Having experienced the difficulties of getting to Newcastle from Jersey myself, I agree that it would be beneficial to have improved links between the North East and Jersey. It is unfortunate that Durham Tees Valley is reduced to once weekly during the summer because the multiple weekly bmibaby flights were relatively successful.

It will be excellent to see the Embraer 195 in Jersey. I have viewed the aircraft in Exeter on numerous occasions but it will be exciting to see it at home on a busy summer Saturday. :ok: For the first few Saturdays, however, an ERJ 145 will be used.

A few on-line timetables also suggest that the bmi A320 will be used on the weekday evening Heathrow flight. I don’t know if this is correct but I guess there is always the possibility.

Sadly, Wolters Reisen has dropped the Stuttgart flight for the summer although Munich is new (Augsburg Airways Q400).

At any cost, is a childish way of thinking. and maybe shouyld be funded by yourself,

this route is going to last a few weeks, months and disapear thank god back into obblivion . unfortunately with the tax payers money.

Midland Bus/Flybe Birmingham
 

J-Guy

I did hear from a good source the morning weekday bus will be the A319 and the evening an A320.

This will change in the morning if Midland start the day with a tech Bus, things will snowball as the Jersey Bus is the last of the morning departures for them, so the Jersey bus will be nicked and will have to wait for a replacement one.

With Flybe putting on an EMB195 on a Saturday for this summer, does it mean without seeing last years Birmingham schedules have they cut back the Saturday services due to competition from the likes of Baby starting this year from Brumm to Jersey?

The Flybe schedule to Birmingham is the same as last summer, no cutbacks. It is still 2x weekday, 3x Saturday, 1x Sunday. bmibaby announced flights quite late so I would imagine that any changes would not occur until the winter season.

The summer schedule does not begin until Sunday but already Thomsonfly has released next winter's flights. :eek: Cardiff and Luton are retained with 3x weekly flights, Coventry 5x weekly and Doncaster 4x weekly. The flights work well for the short-break market that Thomsonfly is keen to develop.

And at least there'll be no newspaper reports suggesting Thomsonfly are pulling out as happened with the late release of this summer’s timetable. :ok:

EI back to 3 wkly
 

I checked the EI website and it appears that it will now be operated 3 a week to JER this Summer, which is encouraging. It had been planned to operate just two. I do wish someone - perhaps RE - would operate year-round to DUB; there certainly is the market and it's increasingly inconvenient, not to mention costly, to fly through the UK.

Aer Lingus
 

I might be wrong from what I can make out,
The summer programme for Aer Lingus to Dublin the start date was a month or so later? the way they were showing the flights might have given the wrong immpression there was only two a week:ok:

First BMI to LHR ...
 

Operated by A319 (G-DBCC); left pretty much bang on time ... good service, good crew - very nice aircraft (and about 60-70% full). Very little fanfare or anything out of the ordinary at the airport.

Interesting story in today's Observer, about the effect of Open Skies on "local" routes. Not very good news, but not surprising. Gist of it seems to be that bmi may look at UK domestic routes (which excludes JER) for the axe, as it seeks to build services to US; 3 A332s soon to be ordered.

akersoid
With the takeover of British Mediterranne Airways I understand they have 12 slots at Heathrow, some of these routes at the moment might be choped making way for these BMed slots being used over the pond?:ok:

I thought i had read that those Bmed slots were going back to BA.

Stn-jer
 

Just heard that WOW will be doing STN-JER from 05May-22Sep
Sat only Flt WOW9302/3 :D

BMI Heathrow Slots
 

manx crab
Just to clear some thing up, the new Heathrow-Jersey operation came out with some of the slots made available due to the Heathrow-Paris route stopping, which was 10 slots. So Jersey has four of them and started the operation yesterday.
The deal to buy BMed was done after the Jersey route was signed sealled and almost delivered.
Now the open skies policy for flights to America have come about Midland will be looking to operate there A330 fleet on some of these to America possible?so where do they get the slots from? well Bmed had 12 so they might take some from there, some of the Bmed routes don,t perform well so they could be dropped, in doing so frees up slots and to keep them they need to operate some where. Well how about accross to America?:ok:

Just a charter though, nothing like the 2/3x daily Atlantic Express was offering.

I see that Blue Islands has dropped direct flights from Jersey to Alderney leaving the islands without a link except via Guernsey. It was a marginal loss-making route, however, flights between Jersey and Alderney have a long history and it will impact upon Alderney’s tourism industry and inconvenience residents. A case of 'I told you so' from Aurigny I guess. :rolleyes:

Interestingly, saw the Bluebird 733 freighter on stand today, looked very nice in the sunshine. :ok:

Aci-jer
 

Yes, no more direct JER-ACI-JER flights, a massive blow to Alderney tourism.
As a frequent user of the route I find this decision, at the start of the summer season, quite unbelieveable. :*

Obviously the yield on the JER-ACI route is very low hence the decision by BCI to pull the plug. Airlines have to make money to survive, too many people seem to forget that! Aurigny whittled this route down to a few flights a week before BCI came on the scene & tried to stimulate new traffic. It would only have been a matter of time before GR dropped it anyway in my opinion. Competition or no competition.

Airline Routes - Use 'em or lose 'em!!