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BBMF SAT 13th MAY Bradford
 

Hi All, Wondering if anybody out there would know the Times for the Flypast at Cullingworth on Sat
(Between Bradford - Keighley- Halifax)
I understand Lanc-Spit- Hurricane are comming



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Think I'll give the new thread a bit of a kickstart and talk about an old hobby horse, i.e summer holiday charter flights.

I'll nail my colours firmly to the mast and state my opinion that that a third based charter machine for LBA is justified. It's been said on these forums over the last couple of years that the IT market is gradually on the decline as the low cost business gathers pace. However, I still believe there's a healthy charter market out there, not necessarily to Spain but certainly to Greece (e.g. Kos, Kefalonia, Thessalonika, Skiathos), Italy (Naples, Pisa, Sardinia), Slovenia and Croatia.

Airtours and Thomson have reasonable programmes at the moment, Thomas Cook is improving and First Choice is somewhat lacking. I definitely feel there is scope for the latter two companies to get together at LBA and base a TCX or FCA aircraft for the summer. They could comfortably cover their existing commitments and move into the unserved/underserved destinations mentioned above. Thomson may wish to have a wider crack at Greece; I don't know what happened to their Zakynthos route but there must be enough business out there to justify a few other islands or maybe the mainland. And with the exception of Verona, nobody is doing Italy (Jet2 notwithstanding. I ain't counting them coz this is charter business).

BTW, my inspiration for writing this piece was a certain travel agent in Yeadon. I looked in the window last week and saw advertised fourteen Greek holidays. THIRTEEN were Manchester departures, the fourteenth was from... wait for it...East Midlands. Absolutely not b****y good enough, I fumed. Where the hell are the LBA flights I wondered. The airport less than two miles away and all the travel agent can offer in the window is flights from somewhere else. Hopeless !! If you want Spain, terrific. If you want Greece (or anywhere even considered slightly exotic by LBA standards), forget it.

There, I feel better for that. My point is, we're doing all right (more pax than Cardiff) but we're not doing nearly as well as we could. Securing Jet2 was a major achievement for the airport but that was over three years ago. The airport cannot afford to rest on its laurels, it needs to get some serious choice in it's holiday charter programme. And whilst it chews that over, it can wonder why Centralwings decided to clear off so quickly.

First Choice dont seem to care about the smaller airports in Northern England/Scotland that much. Theres a similar situation with them at HUY, MME, LPL and EDI. Even NCL doesnt get a based aircraft (although that is to do with a deal with TCX from a few years ago)

As for Thomas Cook, they are expanding from LBA, HUY and DSA instead of focusing on one airport in the region. Therefore, I doubt a based aircraft is on the cards but maybe the rumoured AEU extra aircraft for part of the week may be used by Thomas Cook for some extra flights

I have heard rumour of thomas cook in talks with astraeus for more flights soley for themselves, for next summer 07. I believe there will be 1 1/2 aeu a/c based at leeds towards the end of this year.

I.O.M flights
 

Just been looking at lbia website,and it appears a new operator Manx2 is due to start flights from lba to iom.Can anybody tell me what type of aircraft is pictured?Cheers.

Manx 2 IOM Type of Aircraft
 

Hello there lbalad,

The aircraft pictured on the LBIA web site is a Czech built Let410, a 19 seat aircraft rumoured to be conducting the route.

There is still some uncertanty as to this type being used on the route as other reports claim Jetstream 31's would be another option.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see!

Airport Privatisation
 

Things are happening.

Daily Telegraph got an inside line on this:

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While Grupo Ferrovial's consortium battles to acquire London airports operator BAA, steered by chairman Marcus Agius, a number of smaller airports look set to change hands.

Sources said Devon County Council will send out an information memorandum on Exeter and Devon Airport to pros-pective buyers this week. Leeds Bradford Airport could also be put on the block.

It's understood the local councils that own the airports are interviewing a number of investment banks to advise them on a potential sale.

It's unlikely any of the major infrastructure funds, such as Goldman Sachs, will be interested in Exeter and Devon and Leeds Bradford airports. But smaller players, including Babcock and Brown, could be. Sources also said that if Ferrovial is successful with BAA, it might look to sell some regional airports, including Belfast City, to help finance its offer.

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privatisation
 

The latest political obstacle to privatisation was overcome last week when Bradford Council voted to ratify a decision made by the Executive Board in March to allow Bradford's 40% shareholding in the airport to be offered for sale. With Leeds and 3 other minority shareholders having already voted in favour selling their shares, the process can now move on to the next phase. As it stands, Leeds City Council will manage the disposal process on behalf of all 5 local authorities and they will appoint financial advisors to market the airport and facilitate the tendering process. It is likely there has already been some degree of sounding out potential bidders in advance of this more formal process getting underway so hopefully it will not take too long for potential purchasers to throw their hats into the ring.

As to who that might be, there were something like 30 initial expressions of interest in a 50% stake in NCL back in 2000/2001 when NCL was roughly the same size as LBA is today. On the basis of a potential 100% stake in Leeds and given it is the last airport of its size that will be coming to market directly from the local authorities, there should be a fair degree of interest.

MAG and Peel are likely to be non-starters given the precedent of Macquarie's (joint owner of BRS) bid for EXT being referred to the competition authorities. TBI, Macquarie and Copenhagen Airports all have interests in UK regional airports, none of which serve the Yorkshire & Humberside catchment and it would be surprising if they didn't show an interest. Babcock Plc have recently purchased Alstec, a company who provide baggage and inter- terminal transfers for BAA Heathrow and in the press release Babcock are quoted as saying "Alstec's skills and track record with those of Babcock creates exciting new opportunities in two major growth markets: nuclear decommissioning and airport management". Clearly a very diverse business then, but one would imagine they too will look closely at Leeds if they want to get into airport management. Arguably not the best option for LBA relative to Macquaire, TBI etc given the lack of experience and, more crucially, the lack of any other airports in the Group. Perhaps the biggest commercial vulnerability at LBA is the fact it exists as a stand-alone airport surrounded by airports that are part of larger groups and these groups are getting increasingly good at building relationships with an airline at one airport to attract new services to another. Peel's relationship with EZY / RYR at LPL leading to new services at DSA being a good example.

Privatisation
 

Totally uninformed speculation - I wonder if Channel Express would be interested in teaming up with an airport specialist?

I wouldn't be in favour but it would be interesting -though suspect Channel Express wouldn't have the capital.

Bet some of the LBA management are croaking !!!

LEEDS 2
 

I've heard it rumoured (stress RUMOUR) that Dart Group and/or Wal-Mart have expressed an interest in share acquisition of LBA. However, given that Dart own Jet2 who are by far LBA's biggest operator, I couldn't see them gaining anything approaching a controlling interest in the airport as it would be potentially very harmful to competition. As for Wal-Mart, I suppose they might wish to use LBA as an air cargo hub for their UK distribution network. After all, cargo is sadly lacking in our back yard. I just hope they wouldn't be interested from a land and property point of view. You could get an almighty supermarket on that spot. And discarded trolleys all over the runway...;)

Whoever finally gets their hands on our beloved aerodrome, let's hope there is plenty of investment and aggressive marketing so we can try to match the likes of Bristol and Newcastle.

Wal-Mart Aviation used to have at least one aircraft based at LBA. From what i heard the new boss of Wal-Mart Europe is not particulaly keen on flying and got rid of the plane/planes and pilots.

Hi just wondering was there a VC-10 in the LBA area last night?

James

Would AEU ever opt for a 757 at LBA, ok a 737-700 next summer but for a few flights with the 2nd a/c could this be a 757 ?

Guess who's back...... :p

I don't think they would, the 73G suits their needs well from LBA!

Cork axed
 

Just heard from a mate at Aviance that bmi are stopping their Cork service at the end of June. Sorry if this is old news.

Hello Fox, long time no speak.

Yes it's true the LBA-ORK is being scrapped. Apparently something to do with increased fees at Cork because of the new terminal. Something like that anyway.

Another one bites the dust. First Jersey, now this. Wonder if they'll go for the hat trick ??:{

On another thread ScotAirways to EDI in competition with bmi. Can't see bmi giving up the EDI though.

That, and the fact that next to nobody uses the service seeing as you can get to ORK at a fraction of the price from MAN. Same reason the JER service bit the dust. JER and ORK from LBA are completely uncompetitive charging full service fares when there are low cost options offered from other airports nearby.

Jet2LBA, Maybe a LCC could take up the route ex LBA to compete with those nearby airports once BMI finish. I'd be surprised if it didn't work on a daily run using a 733 to replace the Emb135 with proper fares. I wonder if there are any silver 733's knocking around at LBA that could be used?

What aircraft is gonna be used by scot airways and when does the route start?

Jet2 going in the right direction
 

AIM-listed Dart Group, parent of Jet2, saw its pre-tax, pre-exceptional profit improve by 5.8% year-on-year to £14.7m in the 12 months to end-March 2006.
Turnover grew by 19.3% to £319.6m, while operating expenses were up 18.8% at £312.1m, which resulted in a full year operating profit of £7.5m (+41.5%). Earnings per share were up 3.4% at 28.9p.

Net debt as at 31 March 2006 stood at £5.5m, compared with net cash of £2.4m a year earlier, following the acquisition of three Boeing 757-200 and one Boeing 737-300 aircraft.

Jet2, which flies to 26 destinations from six bases in the North of England, Scotland and Northern Ireland, using a fleet of 22 B737s and three B757s, carried 2.25m passengers during the year.

Dart’s other business is temperature-controlled distribution company Fowler Welch-Coolchain. The group does not split out the results of its two businesses.

New routes ex LBA
 

Anyone know how this summer's new routes from LBA are going? Been told the INV usually has around 15 on it. I wonder how the BRS and NQY are doing? Are the October flights to TABA selling well? Also SSH shows in the summer 2007 Panorama brochure but nothing on their website or on LBIA's webpage...any ideas?

I have flown LBA-BRS once, it had 15 people onboard. Must be normally doing better than to sustain 3 flights a day!

Steve Lee of Jet2 quoted in the Bradford T&A regarding the announcement of 2 new LBA routes to be announced at some point.

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A300BOY
 

having lost Jersey,Iom,Warsaw and now Cork this year as well as our jewel in the crown Lahore last year lets hope these new routes are announced sooner rather than later and are a sucess ! Yes I know that Manx2 are to operate Iom from August so if all goes well that will be one back.

We have lost those, but compared to last summer scheduled wise, we have gained Inverness, Rome, Milan, Pisa, Mahon, Tenerife, Dusseldorf and soon will have Arrecife start.

On the charter front we have gained Paphos, Rhodes, Bodrum and Heraklion.

Not all bad :).

That will be the Las Palmas and Larnaca/Paphos then??

The last time I had chance to speak to the "man in the know", he said that there was much more to come for LBA.

More routes gained than lost good news I agree, but maybe...just maybe, the Jewel in the crown could return?
SWE FLY have been granted permits for India, and are as thier website qoutes " awaiting funding for fleet composition and airline start up"
Now the big question is, will they start the LBA route again???

Swefly
 

The last I heard they were intending to operate Boeing 777s from India via Sweden to the States so I doubt Leeds would be involved with this new operation but I just drive them not decide where they go !:)

Swe-fly have the permits rights for the following routes from India via stockholm.

India - Stockholm - New York
India - Stockholm - Tornoto
India - Stockholm - 2 UK Destinations

Luton and Leeds like last time you think??

It's interesting to see that Aero Asia, the Pakistani domestic airline which was grounded last month, has been bought by a Bradford-based company which specialises in bakery & confectionary. They are apparently wanting to develop domestic links and then branch out into UK-Pakistan services. Given their home base in Bradford, I'd say this was one to watch as a possible contender to revive LBA-Lahore / Islamabad.

Interesting comments in the Yorkshire Post from the head of the Yorkshire Tourist Board re the 'Bollywood' event coming to Yorkshire next year.

"As Judith Donovan, chairman of Yorkshire Tourist Board, says: "It's a four-day event, giving a four weeks' buzz and a four-year business legacy." It has been estimated that GBP10m will be added to the region's economy from tourism alone over the four days, and Mrs Donovan, who said direct flights from India to the region's airports could be introduced in time for the awards, believes that figure will increase to GBP20m per year over the two years following the awards as a direct result of the event."

...wishful thinking on her part or informed speculation re Swefly I wonder? (no guarantee of course that LBA would be the airport the flights would operate from if they did happen)

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whether it is LBA or DSA whoever gets the odd press charter....it is a huge coup for Yorkshire...maybe at last, the YTB will show the lead... rather than the Peel arrogance or the LCC intransigence.

Yorkshire beat the best in the world....a combined effort...this brings millions to the region....it beat New York on this.........not Manchester.....if the combined forces of the Yorkshire cities could do this again...then........maybe the airports could do the same...

BTW....Swefly.its EMA and LTN for their UK departure points, rather obvious when you consider the main Indian population areas in the UK

Cork and Galway just announced from Aer Arann

BombardierCR7 - where did you get confirmation of the EMA and LTN Swefly programme?

Cork and Galway
 

Bombadier are you saying Cork and Galway are to served from Leeds by Aer Aerran ?