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DTVAirport 11th May 2006 17:07

This could be stating the obvious but does that mean the Geneva route is no more?

airhumberside 11th May 2006 17:13

Looks that way

SeamusCVT 11th May 2006 17:20

Didn't Thomsonfly operate a charter to Geneva throughout February or was this cancelled? Possibility of a seat only this winter if they reprise it?

airhumberside 11th May 2006 17:27

The charter was instead of Turin during the winter olympics. TOM could always consider bringing it back, although GVA always seemed like a temporary replacement for Turin

gary4444 11th May 2006 17:49


Originally Posted by airhumberside
This quote was in todays Scunthorpe Telegraph
Looks like Easyjet could have left DSA for good

So tell me why DSA and BOH (who don't have summer services from Easyjet) are still in the Easyjet booking panel on their website?

When they don't have plans to fly to any airport then they take them off the website!

airhumberside 11th May 2006 18:00

When they have plans to serve an airport, they dont tell the local paper they don't plan to serve the airport

gary4444 11th May 2006 18:04

Scunthorpe Telegraph..............the mark of journalistic excellence :confused:

Routes get dropped, they go straight from the website. So why are DSA and BOH still there?

Answer that one.

NorthOfRiver 11th May 2006 18:06


Originally Posted by airhumberside
This quote was in todays Scunthorpe Telegraph
Looks like Easyjet could have left DSA for good

I am not a great lover of DSA, but in their defence I am led to believe there were plans afoot for Easyjet to set up a base at DSA for the summer. By all accounts verbal agreements were struck before the airport was built, hence Easyjet throwing its weight behind it during the planning stage and enquiry. However, Thomsonfly have firmly got a foot in the door and they ain't going to be budged by no one. Consequently Easyjet could not get the timings and discounts they wanted from DSA, so they decided not to bother.
The door is open for smaller low cost airlines at DSA now to come in a pick up the routes Easyjet were going to serve.

Easyjet are looking for a small base in the area, and so I wouldn't be surprised if they try Humberside. I tghink it's worth a shout.

gary4444 11th May 2006 18:08


Originally Posted by NorthOfRiver
Easyjet are looking for a small base in the area, and so I wouldn't be surprised if they try Humberside. I tghink it's worth a shout.

Thats a good one :D

airhumberside 11th May 2006 18:12

DSA is still on the EZY booking panel, but you cant book any flights from DSA so whether its on the panel or not doesnt seem to matter.

If, which I think is unlikely, the Scunthorpe Telegraph has printed a load of rubbish, dont forget that many potential passengers will not question the statement and assume Easyjet has pulled out of DSA

EZY haven't released any winter flights yet. When they do, I guess we will find out if they are staying at DSA

gary4444 11th May 2006 18:18

airhumberside

Tell me an airline that leaves airports in the booking panel a month after they drop routes?

It is likely the Telegraph has printed rubbish, at which point does it say "a spokesman for Easyjet said they have no current plans to fly from Doncaster/Sheffield"? What they will have done is looked at the website and saw flights had ended for the season and interpreted it as they have no plans to fly from DSA.

But like you say we will see.

dwlpl 11th May 2006 18:25


Originally Posted by gary4444
Tell me an airline that leaves airports in the booking panel a month after they drop routes?

Ryanair.

They had an airport (Milan Bergamo?) closed for runway attention sometime last year and re-routed those services into Verona Brescia.

It still has to this day 18 routes operating out of there, according to the booking engine, when in fact they fly just the two (Stanasted and Ciampino).

gary4444 11th May 2006 18:30

The two routes are the only ones in the panel now, also the flights weren't dropped. But this will get us off topic.

pug 11th May 2006 19:08


Easyjet are looking for a small base in the area, and so I wouldn't be surprised if they try Humberside. I tghink it's worth a shout.

EZY go for large catchment areas, i very much doubt HUY would fit into their criteria, the only very slight chance would be if they decide that HUY is far enough away from NEMA to make services viable, i will have no doubt they will have looked at the airport some time though, dont forget they would have the power to steal pax from TOM at DSA, eventualy gaining them an entry into DSA!

Just a thought:bored:

Teevee 11th May 2006 20:05

I think you're all getting a bit carried away here. However as far as the Scunthorpe Telegraph quote is concerned Airlines may not tell newspapers they don't have plans to fly from an airport if they do, but they sure as hell don't go telling newspapers of all things that they do have plans before the official announcement is made, usually simultaneously by the airport and the airline. Airports in association with the airline usually make the announcement, not the newspapers! And anyway, haven't you noticed, if the quote is verbatim then it is very carefully made: notice that careful word 'current' in there? Doesn't sound like they've quit for good to me.:rolleyes:

chiglet 11th May 2006 21:12

Last time I was at DSA [RAF Finningly] there was a Railway Station on site
watp,iktch

NEastMidlands 13th May 2006 10:26

chiglet

It was used for the airshows but has been disused for a long time now.

POL1W 19th May 2006 08:25

BH Air Tupolev 154 farce yesterday
 
The BH Air first flight of the season from Bourgas to Doncaster, yesterday was told to go around on short finals as there was no fuel available for their return. Not a fuel shortage, just that their credit was not good. How farcical is that? THe Tupolev made additional approaches before going into the hold whilst it was sorted out. Possible diversion to MAN and coach the passengers from DSA was a solution. Eventually after negotiations over the Servisair company frequency, permission to land with fuel availability was granted.
Not a very good impression given for an up and coming international airport is it?, let alone an added workload for the pilot whilst in the final landing phase, having to start considering financial concerns and implications, in the last 45 seconds of the flight.

windshear-a-head 19th May 2006 08:40

Ah thats what was going on, I was watching it from the house, thought there may have been tech problems. Did put a post on but it seems to have made its way to the spotters page.

Cheers!

gary4444 19th May 2006 09:27

POL1W

The fault is completely with BH Air, the pilot and passengers just got caught up in it. There were no problems all through last year dealing with them, but because they didn't pay off their remaining debt the airport were well within their rights to deny rights.

Its better than impounding an aircraft like some people do!

POL1W 19th May 2006 09:50

gary4444

Possibly so, but it must have been known long before the aircraft arrived that they owed money. Doing what they did on short finals was not a clever move.

blahblahblah 19th May 2006 10:42

Think people need to give a little thought before posting on here.

If BH Air had not paid their fuel bill is it not an issue between the airline and the fuel supplier, NOT the tour operator or the airport. As usual people are very keen to jump on the 'blame the airport' when in fact it is something out of their hands!:\

gary4444 19th May 2006 11:05


Originally Posted by POL1W
gary4444
Possibly so, but it must have been known long before the aircraft arrived that they owed money. Doing what they did on short finals was not a clever move.

Not the best way to do things agreed, it could have been sorted long before. But are you telling me BH Air didn't know they owed money, because they did, and its their own fault the situation arose.

WHBM 19th May 2006 11:57


Originally Posted by POL1W
The BH Air first flight of the season from Bourgas to Doncaster, yesterday was told to go around on short finals as there was no fuel available for their return. Not a fuel shortage, just that their credit was not good. How farcical is that?

This sounds like one of those stories where we don't hear the real details. But if it did happen like this, and the pax were subjected to a go around at low level for admin/accountancy reasons, it sounds like one to be referred to the AAIB as an incident for investigation. Either you tell them before departure or once they are on the ground. An accounting hiatus affecting the first flight of a season is not unknown, such happens, but never heard of it being handled like this.

niknak 19th May 2006 12:15

Concur with WHBM.

As far as I am aware, the aerodrome authority can stop an aircraft departing due financial restraints, but they cannot stop it from landing for that reason.
Addiitionally, if they intend to impound or put a lien upon an aircraft, they are legally obliged to infrom the aircraft operator in writing and obtain a written acknowledgement, (this can be done by fax).

Sounds like a lot of inexperienced chickens running around the roost at DSA Management.

royman 20th May 2006 09:06


Originally Posted by POL1W
Not a very good impression given for an up and coming international airport is it?, let alone an added workload for the pilot whilst in the final landing phase, having to start considering financial concerns and implications, in the last 45 seconds of the flight.

Let alone the unnecessary added workload for the ATCO's, vectoring the aircraft about in class G airspace.

lakeside84 29th May 2006 22:49

Sorry to state the obvious, but first flight of the season for a resort based airline means NO INBOUND PAX! Therefore no pax were on board that flight that some of you are describing rather dramatically...! An issue between the refuellers and the airline, the handling agent simply acts as the messenger in circumstances such as this.

gary4444 30th May 2006 07:54

Plovdiv in Bulgaria will be served from 23rd Dec to 3rd March by Thomsonfly. Flights leave at 14:10 and return at 22:05 and are available through Thomsonski.

ashmac33 30th May 2006 15:43

Hi guys, i dont know if anyone can help, but do thomsonfly operate a ticektless travel on the charter and low cost flights from DSA. Do thomsonfly operate their own representation from the airport then- as our company representing tui is not present being the only major airport in the uk.

cheers ash

POL1W 30th May 2006 17:26


Originally Posted by lakeside84
Sorry to state the obvious, but first flight of the season for a resort based airline means NO INBOUND PAX! Therefore no pax were on board that flight that some of you are describing rather dramatically...! An issue between the refuellers and the airline, the handling agent simply acts as the messenger in circumstances such as this.

I had realised that the first flight would be empty so fortunately no pax were exposed to these go arounds. However, it still does'nt make it all right, and had it not been an empty positioning leg the outcome would have been identical as the problem would still have arisen at the wrong moment, especially with crews who probably do not have the best and clearest understanding of a language which is not their native tongue.

WHBM 30th May 2006 17:37

In such situations it is more often that the paperwork has not been signed/put in place rather than there actually being an unpaid bill. How were they OK over at MAN ?

Return flight from/to Bourgas, plus time to organise unplanned coaches, plus drive across to MAN, and handle an unexpected flight there, would possibly have put crew outside hours ?

WOWBOY 30th May 2006 18:05

I would have thought that by now DSA would have domestic routes but it doesn't. Is there a chance that domestic services will come avalible?

I would have thought that EDI, BHD/BFS and Possibly a GLA or LON service could be viable with sensible frequencies, would they not?!?

Or is the fact that LBA is close to DSA a big factor!

airhumberside 30th May 2006 20:56

Technically, DSA has a domestic service to Jersey

I doubt a London service would work because of the frequent train service, except for maybe LHR, which isnt going to happen any time soon due to slots

I think EDI and GLA could work, and especially Belfast. Flybe would be ideal but they have a 'base' at LBA. Thye may also start HUY services in the future. They could always serve DSA instead of HUY.

As for Belfast, maybe an option for TOM. Wasn't Belfast on a list of possible destinations released by TOM in 2004 when they announced their DSA base?

gary4444 1st Jun 2006 18:08

There will be a cruise flight to New Orleans (yes, thats right New Orleans from Doncaster) on 7th December 2007 from P&O on behalf of Bolsover Cruise Club. :cool:

aeulad 1st Jun 2006 18:13

Thomson are adding Plovdiv ski flights for next winter.

Regards

Mike

gary4444 1st Jun 2006 18:43

aeulad

Mentioned on page 3 already.

DSABOY 9th Jun 2006 18:33

Doncaster/sheffield airport-DSA
 
Hi
Just a quick question how is the airport going? Are the longhaul flights succesful Any new routes/airlines? any info much appreciated

gary4444 10th Jun 2006 11:09

Obviously the airport is doing well, in its first year it nearly carried 1 million passengers. A figure which will be beat this year. The long haul flights are doing well, its still early days, but the 767 is going out with 300+ onboard :)

Look for more route announcements later this summer.

airhumberside 10th Jun 2006 14:03

Puerta Plata has been dropped for next summer

DSA-Gerona has apeared in the Air Scotland booking engine

wawkrk 10th Jun 2006 15:38

gary4444
"The long haul flights are doing well, its still early days, but the 767 is going out with 300+ onboard"

Is this a 300 series 767?

Otherwise, how many pax are standing?


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