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mad_jock 25th Apr 2013 13:07

Also you need 2 crew for TP operation. PT6 engines and twotters are used for 20-40 sector days all over the world.

I can't see the engines being the whole problem. Multi crew, hot sections, twotter is a sort after aircraft so purchase value is quite high as well. They are worth more than a Jetstream. And an EU mod spec will be worth more again after you have fitted TCAS TWAS and all that other stuff.

Tri islanders very few want the things apart from 3rd world country's. They now have problems with them as well with avgas going out of fashion.

Oh and here is the AAIB report

Air Accidents Investigation: BN2A MK.III-2 Trislander, G-BDTO

Torquelink 26th Apr 2013 12:09


They now have problems with them as well with avgas going out of fashion.
So the "Trislander NG" could have new aviation diesels - bit more power and burn Jet A1 or recycled chip fat. Add new avionics - what's not to like?!

Phileas Fogg 26th Apr 2013 13:35


So the "Trislander NG" could have new aviation diesels - bit more power and burn Jet A1 or recycled chip fat. Add new avionics - what's not to like?!
Chip fat tends to congeal when exposed to cold temperatures does it not?

Torquelink 26th Apr 2013 14:20

Hmmm - probably have to have deep fat fryer elements in the fuel tanks, that should sort it . .

Rivet Joint 28th Apr 2013 15:43

Tris
 
It's nice to have this quaint old thing around but I must say the noise over Southampton is outrageous whenever they come in or go out and as a result hopefully only another fleet choice is an option.

davidjohnson6 12th May 2013 10:38

As others will be aware, Gatwick are squeezing airlines operating small aircraft through the landing fees. Talk suggests that Flybe are close to admitting Gatwick just isn't going to work for them in its current form. What keeps Aurigny at Gatwick instead of moving everything to Stanstead ?

adfly 12th May 2013 11:22

I would guess the higher demand from having a larger catchment area and more onward connections, Flybe leaving LGW Could be very good for Aurigny as they are safe from EZY and BA in GCI. However regional routes elsewhere would suffer if Flybe pulled their whole LGW operation.

PeteAndre 12th May 2013 11:55

Move of GCI servicesto Stansted ?
 
Guernsey's economy relies on international banking and ready access to the island from Europe, Asia, Mid East and USA and City of London via a Hub airport. Gatwick is already seen as a poor alternative to Heathrow - Stansted as being "out in the sticks"- with the fear that international business community would put their trade elsewhere rather than waste time travelling up the M11.

FRatSTN 12th May 2013 12:40

I agree. If FlyBe were to pull out of Gatwick that would be good for Aurigny as EZY and BA can't fly into GCI. They might even axe the Stansted route, especially if FlyBe end up moving there.

Skipness One Echo 12th May 2013 13:17

BE withdrawing from LGW-GCI may put a LCY-GCI into the minds of BA CityFlyer, if they can put in a BE ERJ-175 into Guernsey, is there anything stopping a CFE ERJ-170?

tibbs87 12th May 2013 14:14


twotter is a sort after aircraft so purchase value is quite high as well. They are worth more than a Jetstream.
Well hopefully the Twotter won't be high in price for much longer as Viking Air has the production rights and are now producing the DHC-6 Twin Otter Series 400. Viking
Depends if Aurigny will want to make an investment of this sort :)

mad_jock 12th May 2013 20:13

I think you will find that one of them is worth more than the whole of the tri fleet put together included spares and EFIS crap that they have just fitted.

Mind if tri's are all not all full of fuel you won't get a single twotter.

virginblue 12th May 2013 20:56

I guess the question is how much connecting traffic GCI generates on a daily basis. If there is a sufficient number of high yielding connecting pax (which I doubt), the airport should maybe push for focusing on LCY for all local London traffic and for using AMS or CDG instead of LGW for all connecting passengers. Would be a bit daft for passengers heading for final destinations in the UK and Ireland, but nowadays not a lot of them are served from LGW anyway (unless you count in self-built connections with the likes of Ryanair or easyjet) and some could be reached via LCY.

Rivet Joint 12th May 2013 22:20

LCY
 
Isn't the ATR rated for LCY? Surely with a few mods/training GR could start LCY over being left with STN?

Skipness One Echo 12th May 2013 22:32

Indeed! It's the ATR42 that is on LCY-JER with SI and RE used the larger ATR72 to IOM.

cornishsimon 12th May 2013 22:43

I can see BA adding both JER & GCI ex LCY in the fairly near future


cs

virginblue 12th May 2013 22:43

The ATR72-500 is rated for LCY, whereas the -200 is not. Aer Arann got the -500 cleared for LCY for its IOM-LCY route, but IIRC an ATR42 was used when push came to shove.

As for BA adding GCI and JER from LCY, the question is whether there are decent slots available at LCY that would be required for a business oriented route. And of ocurse another question is whether BA would be willing to overnight planes at JER and GCI as otherwise the route would not be very attractive.

cornishsimon 12th May 2013 23:11

Don't BA still overnight a crew at JER for the LGW route ?


cs

Rivet Joint 13th May 2013 17:50

LCY
 
In which case surely GR should get in there first and establish themselves? LGW is clearly hellbent on getting rid off the smaller aircraft so might as well jump before you are pushed.

Wycombe 13th May 2013 20:17


Don't BA still overnight a crew at JER for the LGW route ?

Looks like it - ba.com says last flight in tonight arrives JER at 20.35, first flight out in the morning dep's at 07.05. The first BA arrival into JER from LGW is at 08.20.


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