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TRY2FLY 21st Jan 2016 01:01

He also left his last company to 'persue personal interests'. See the link

https://www.tigerair.com/news/TH_201...rship_Team.pdf

NorthSouth 8th Sep 2016 15:45

Gold Star to Loganair's Orkney-based islander pilot today
 
One of Loganair's Orkney islander pilots certainly earned his pay today. After departure from Kirkwall (or maybe on a go-around?) in crap weather (4500 BR FEW 002 BKN 004, and with a 60 degree crosswind gusting to 20kts+) he initially diverted to Wick, but halfway there seemingly decided to divert to Stornoway where the weather was significantly better. But halfway there he decided to turn back to Kirkwall. Flew one approach to a go-around in much the same weather, went round the hold then had another go and got in. Phew! And this on an operation that's normally flown VFR throughout. :ok:

goldeneye 13th Sep 2016 15:08

Another Do328 returned to leasing company, that leaves 3 in the fleet.

BOHEuropean 21st Nov 2016 14:55

Flybe Franchise Terminated
 
Flybe is ending its franchise agreement with Scottish airline Loganair.

The move means Glasgow-based Loganair will stop flying under the Flybe brand from 31 August next year.

The Scottish airline operates on lifeline routes between the Scottish mainland and islands, including the Western and Northern isles.

Loganair, which has operated under franchise agreements for 24 years with other airlines, said it will operate in "its own right" from 1 September 2017.


Flybe said its decision followed "a failure to agree future operational standards and commercial arrangements".


Interesting news from Loganair / Flybe today. What impact will this have on the airlines?

Source: Flybe terminates contract with Loganair - BBC News

goldeneye 21st Nov 2016 14:57

Loganair will take to the air in its own right once again in Autumn 2017 after nearly quarter of a century flying under franchise arrangements with other airlines

The move will create a national airline for Scotland, headquartered in Scotland

Full details on the Loganair Press Release

fjencl 21st Nov 2016 15:00

Inverness - London City Airport
 
Maybe they can try the INV - LCY - INV route on the Dornier Do328 Turbo-Prop.

EI-BUD 21st Nov 2016 22:39

Best of luck to Loganair, a great little airline in my opinion. They have come a very long way and survived hard times all the while providing a life line to island communities.

The only drawback to exciting the BE relationship would be the access to technology developments that could come worth BE scale, and of course let's hope BE dint decide to jump onto LC routes.. Like they've done worth Stobart Air, eg DUB CWL...

EI-BUD

virginblue 22nd Nov 2016 06:40

Gearing up for Scexit :suspect::ooh:?

nighthawk117 22nd Nov 2016 08:21


I'd honestly say good luck getting a Dash8 into half of the places Loganair go..

The passenger loads on most of the route wouldn't make any sense either on a Dash8. I'd say the route network is safe.
Additionally, a lot of Loganairs routes are PSO routes, which are only viable due to government subsidies. Granted FlyBE could choose to bid for them when the contract is up for renewal, but I think that's incredibly unlikely.

NickBarnes 23rd Nov 2016 10:37

Loganair have launched their Summer 2017 schedule, Quite a lot going on so have taken the keys points from press release.

A non-stop twice-weekly service will link Glasgow and the Norwegian city of Bergen – known as “the gateway to the fjords”. The Glasgow-based airline will operate the new route on Mondays and Fridays from May 5 to September 25 2017. It’s part of a sizeable expansion which will also see the airline’s schedule to Bergen bolstered by extra flights from Shetland and new direct flights from Orkney.

Scotland’s Airline has also revealed the first regular service in recent years linking Shetland and Aberdeen with Vagar, the airport of the Faroe Islands, again starting in May. The service will operate on Fridays and Sundays from May 26 to September 3 2017, and Loganair will carefully evaluate demand on the route with a view to moving to year-round operations in future.

· An overall growth of 20% in seat capacity to and from Glasgow.

· A fourth weekday flight between Glasgow and Manchester, plus a new Sunday lunchtime service - providing enhanced connections to domestic UK destinations and the expanding range of long-haul destinations available via Manchester.

· A fourth daily service between Inverness and Manchester, also opening up the wide range of connections available from Manchester.

· An 18% increase in seats between Glasgow and Stornoway through introduction of larger Saab 2000 50-seat aircraft on three of the four weekday round trips - and use of the larger aircraft on selected weekend flights between Glasgow and Benbecula for the first time.

· A third weekday flight from Glasgow to Islay, and a second on Sundays, opening up a wide range of new domestic and international connections to and from Islay.

· New convenient one-stop, same-plane services linking Manchester with Sumburgh and Stornoway, cutting journey times and offering lower fares than connecting flights.

· A second weekly Bergen service from Sumburgh, operating on Tuesdays between May 30 and August 29 and complementing the Saturday service (13May – 02 September)

· A non-stop service linking Kirkwall on Orkney with Bergen on Saturdays between May 13 and September 02 while also operating a complementary Tuesday connection via Sumburgh.

· Expansion of services between Edinburgh and Wick with the introduction of a second flight on Mondays, Thursdays and Fridays.

· A new timetable for Edinburgh-Stornoway services to ensure that the route remains commercially viable despite new charges for airlines being introduced by Edinburgh Airport in April 2017.

· Additional weekend flights between Glasgow and Kirkwall - with a new Friday night southbound service from Kirkwall and an extra Sunday evening return flight, coupled to larger aircraft deployed on Saturday services.

· More seats between Glasgow and Sumburgh through use of larger 50-seater Saab 2000 aircraft on one of two daily flights during the summer.

· Developing use of Glasgow as a hub airport to link Loganair’s Highlands & Islands network with its growing network of services to Manchester and Leeds Bradford.

· Continued expansion outside Scotland with the introduction of a new four-times weekly service linking Loganair’s base at Norwich with the Channel Island of Jersey.

Skipness One Echo 23rd Nov 2016 10:45

Is that GLA-MAN really providing capacity for flybe "mainline" rather than Loganair? i.e. it will disappear back to BE come the divorce? Isn't ABZ-LCY similar?

NickBarnes 23rd Nov 2016 11:01

I don't believe so, Flybe couldn't make it work on the Dash so Loganair took it on. Of course Flybe could go up against but I would doubt it, and if I'm honest I'd fully expect Loganair to fully codeshare on the INV, GLA and NWI post Flybe.

inOban 23rd Nov 2016 13:31

An ambitious increase, given the steadily declining population in the Western Isles, and the downturn in the oil industry, which must surely be affecting Orkney and Shetland as it has ABN.

Delighted to see direct Bergen flights, but I am slightly surprised that they have chosen GLA rather than EDI. Maybe the changes to EDI pricing has made EDI unattractive to small a/c. (Anyone know what they are?)

Cyrano 23rd Nov 2016 13:56


Originally Posted by inOban (Post 9587428)
An ambitious increase, given the steadily declining population in the Western Isles, and the downturn in the oil industry, which must surely be affecting Orkney and Shetland as it has ABN.

Delighted to see direct Bergen flights, but I am slightly surprised that they have chosen GLA rather than EDI. Maybe the changes to EDI pricing has made EDI unattractive to small a/c. (Anyone know what they are?)

I don't know whether it's new, but I do note from the latest EDI fees and charges:

8. Minimum Charge on Departure
Between the hours of 0600 to 0900 and 1600 to 1800 the minimum charge on departure for all
flights will be £155. At all other times the minimum charge will be £60.
Given that the normal weight charge on departure is £5.22 per ton, this is basically saying "if you fly an aircraft with MTOW <30 tons at peak times, we'll charge you for 30 tons."

The Saab 340's MTOW is about 13 tons.

Just saying...

Morus193 23rd Nov 2016 13:59

Delighted to see Loganair plan a big growth in 2017 and show ambition, surely some potential to grow a hub at both GLA and EDI. Looking forward to seeing what plans they have in store over the next few years.

Callum Paterson 23rd Nov 2016 14:15


Delighted to see direct Bergen flights, but I am slightly surprised that they have chosen GLA rather than EDI. Maybe the changes to EDI pricing has made EDI unattractive to small a/c. (Anyone know what they are?)
Why? Glasgow is the largest city in Scotland. Glasgow is the economic powerhouse of Scotland. Glasgow Airport is Loganair's home base. Glasgow Airport is Loganair's largest base. Glasgow Airport is the gateway to Glasgow, Loch Lomond and the Western Isles. People visit Scotland for its scenery, the best of Scotland's scenery is on the west coast. Glasgow makes perfect sense for this route!

inOban 23rd Nov 2016 14:44

As you can see from my user ID I live in that wonderful scenery, and the Glasgow flight will be very useful to yachties I also deal with. I am also delighted that Glasgow's economy is recovering from the collapse of its traditional industries.

But, the population drift towards the East is continuing, and is predicted to continue. GLA is stuck with being on the wrong side of Glasgow.
I would suggest that the market for this route will not,in the main, be incoming PAX looking to admire our scenery - the scenery around Bergen is even grander. It will outgoing, many heading for a Norwegian Coastal Cruise (Hurtigruten), and I would have thought that Edinburgh would be a bigger market.

I think that it comes down to GLA being their main base.

Callum Paterson 23rd Nov 2016 15:08


GLA is stuck with being on the wrong side of Glasgow.
Marketing spew fabricated by GD. GLA is on the 'wrong' side of Glasgow. Wrong side for who exactly? For yourself in Oban GLA is on the 'right' side of Glasgow. For people living in Paisley (Scotland's largest town!), Greenock, Balloch, Helensburgh and the entire west coast of Scotland, GLA is on the 'right' side of Glasgow. For everyone living in Glasgow (Scotland's largest city, GLA is one the 'right' side of Glasgow and for the millions of tourist looking to visit Glasgow itself, Scotland's ski resorts including Glencoe, Scotland's thousands of Loch's including Loch Lomond and the Trossachs national park, and not to mention the Highland Railway, GLA is without doubt on the 'right' side of Glasgow. As far as I'm concerned EDI is on the 'wrong' side of Scotland. You see, this depends entirely on who you ask. Therefor marketing spew fabricated by GD.


I would suggest that the market for this route will not,in the main, be incoming PAX looking to admire our scenery - the scenery around Bergen is even grander. It will outgoing, many heading for a Norwegian Coastal Cruise (Hurtigruten), and I would have thought that Edinburgh would be a bigger market.
If you feel this route will predominately be subscribed to by outbound passengers originating in Scotland then it makes perfect sense to offer this route from the population center of Scotland, therefor generating the biggest potential for take-up of the flight. Your own argument makes GLA the logical choice for this route.

PS... just once I've love to discuss GLA's gains without people bringing up EDI. Just saying. :)

A350Saltire 23rd Nov 2016 16:30


Marketing spew fabricated by GD

This is hilarious - what has Gordon Dewar got to do with it?


You have branded the comments as "marketing spew fabricated by GD" and then go on to provide your own fabricated marketing spew.



just once I've love to discuss GLA's gains without people bringing up EDI.

Fortunately, people are free to discuss whatever they want. This is a nice wee route for GLA given the shocking connections to Scandinavia that currently exists. I wish Loganair well with the service.

mwm991 23rd Nov 2016 16:40

Of course its on the wrong side of Glasgow. It means they are losing marketshare in areas much closer to the centre of Glasgow than Edinburgh in places like Lanarkshire and even marginally closer places like Stirling and Falkirk. To be honest, I am marginally east of Glasgow and could probably get to EDI quicker driving during rush hour.

Not a surprise they want to grow at GLA though with the likes of the Bergen route given the rubbish service to Scandinavia and that is where they are based. Hope it continues.

mwm991 23rd Nov 2016 16:42


This is hilarious - what has Gordon Dewar got to do with it?


You have branded the comments as "marketing spew fabricated by GD" and then go on to provide your own fabricated marketing spew.
Thought it was a bit of a strange rant myself...

Callum Paterson 23rd Nov 2016 17:03

Nothing like GLA securing a new route to bring the EDI obsessed fan boys out, eh A350Saltire? ;)

A350Saltire 23rd Nov 2016 17:11


Originally Posted by Callum Paterson (Post 9587622)
Nothing like GLA securing a new route to bring the EDI obsessed fan boys out, eh A350Saltire? ;)

I'm sure I just said that GLA's new route was a good addition and wished it well or maybe I'm just living in a parallel universe!

It was just your nonsensical rant that made me laugh!

Skipness One Echo 23rd Nov 2016 23:01

Do Loganair have an IATA code? I think LC went back into the pot?

DaveReidUK 23rd Nov 2016 23:25


Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo (Post 9587926)
Do Loganair have an IATA code? I think LC went back into the pot?

Used until very recently by ECAir (Equatorial Congo Airlines), although they ceased operations last month.

davidjohnson6 23rd Nov 2016 23:36

http://www.iata.org/publications/Pages/code-search.aspx

Seems to show that IATA have assigned LM to Loganair

SeeFlyer 17th Jan 2017 12:16

Is anyone aware of Loganair's fleet replacement or expansion plans?

PPJN has been updated and states the D328's are going to be replaced with more SAAB's, just wondering if anyone can shed some light onto this.

Thanks :)

goldeneye 17th Jan 2017 15:43


Is anyone aware of Loganair's fleet replacement or expansion plans?

PPJN has been updated and states the D328's are going to be replaced with more SAAB's, just wondering if anyone can shed some light onto this.
Jethro's Fleet has them Dorniers are up for sale. They are planning more flights this summer, but not sure if that's due to better scheduling of aircraft, or if any new airframes are on there way. Also with the BE franchise ending in August, Im sure more changes will be on their way.

22/04 17th Jan 2017 16:11

Loganair flight plans are filed as LOG I think

SeeFlyer 17th Jan 2017 16:50

Thanks!

Interesting, so the Do328 are definitely going soon-ish then!

I guess getting more 340's/2000's makes sense to harmonize the fleet, the 340 can act as a direct replacement for the Do328 with the similar seating configuration but I suppose it depends how much they think they can push the routes. A full 2000 in 50Y is probably a better money spinner? Although decent SAAB's must be difficult to come by nowadays.

The booking engine is coming online in March apparently.

jijpc 17th Jan 2017 17:36

LOG is the ICAO code which they have continued to use, along with the "Logan" callsign for the duration of the FlyBe franchise.

LM is the IATA code.

BAladdy 29th Jan 2017 21:17


Is anyone aware of Loganair's fleet replacement or expansion plans?

PPJN has been updated and states the D328's are going to be replaced with more SAAB's, just wondering if anyone can shed some light onto this.

Thanks
According to the Jethro's fleet listing site: Loganair have acquired another Saab 340 (G-LGNZ) which is planned to arrive prior to S17. They will also op a ATR42 for evaluation purposes from early Feb.
Loganair Fleet List

goldeneye 31st Jan 2017 10:00

Any idea where the ATR42 is coming from for the evaluation ?

CabinCrewe 31st Jan 2017 11:14

Its a French registered ATR 72 routing via Channel islands

aurigny72 31st Jan 2017 11:47

ATR 72-600

Arctic Circle 31st Jan 2017 11:59

In the next few months Braathens Regional in Sweden will be replacing all of their Saab 2000s with ATR 72-600s, I think they have 8 or 9 of them. No idea where those Saabs will be going and if Braathens own them or lease them.

The Saab 2000 is an expensive machine to operate and not as reliable as the ATR 72.

But in a strong crosswind...

fjencl 31st Jan 2017 13:52

Where will it be based

billyg 31st Jan 2017 17:41


Where will it be based
Glasgow , of course , where the airline are based , it's sitting on the deck there just now !

goldeneye 1st Feb 2017 13:22

The ATR appears to be F-WWEZ and flew from Glasgow to Sumburgh this afternoon.

jamestkirk 3rd Feb 2017 12:49

I think that Saab stop supporting the 2000's from 2020.

If true, what a shame. It p'sses all over every other turboprop.


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