I wonder if a company like Viking could give a new lease of life to the S2000/340 family as they have with the Twin Otter?

But those big engines are very expensive to maintain.

Is the ATR being trialed by Eastern as well, as its been operating HUY-ABZ-SCS-ABZ-HUY today.

Given the 340's are coming up 30years old and the 2000s a touch younger, at what age do YOU consider re-engining is still commercially viable? I'm really not sure I want to be flying around in a very harsh salty environment in something metallic that's already done 35 years service. And if a re-manufacturer thinks it's commercially viable he's got to be reckoning on 15 years more service.
Thanks but I'd prefer a new one before then, even at a fare premium.
50yr old bollox have never been much use to any dog. Time it went to the 'farm'

Well the old Totters were pretty old and I think 'VK is still a back up aircraft.

They saw a lot more salt too but I'd fly on 'VK tomorrow with no hesitation.

Plenty of old aeroplanes around especially in the GA fleet- I know fly Robin that's almost 50 years old a works hard as a glider tug.

The problem is the market is quite small. They seem to manage with the ATRs in Ireland, albeit with a few incidents now and again. I believe these may have been down to inexperienced crews though.

The Saabs are pilots aircraft but the ATR is more economical and passenger friendly. Fuel burn of probably 800kg/hr with 72 passengers.

The smaller Dash 8 models would have been a good replacement for the Saab 340 but they stopped making them too. The Q400 wouldn't really be suitable for Loganair's shorter routes.

The Saab 2000 will be expensive to operate long term.

Surely the market for the smaller turbo prop is about to grow. With the aging Dash8 -100 and -200 and the Saab 340 coming to the end of their economic lives and only the ATR to replace them?

Is there any news on how the ATR trials went?

I think Loganair are still keeping their options open, I think the new 340 they have is only being leased for the year initially. Although saying that they have spent an awful lot of money on the PAX 340 fleet refurbishing them last year so they must be intending on using them for a little while yet.

It seems like they are doing lots of recruiting as well for all the back office (marketing, commercial etc) people they will need now they are going it alone.

When loganair set up there own flight booking web site to go it alone as a stand alone operator, hopefully they will be offering cheaper fares on the likes of the Inverness - Manchester - Inverness routes.

Even with Loganair going alone I wouldn't count on fares being any cheaper then they currently are!

I don't think they'll be cheaper. Instead of paying franchise fees to flyBe they'll have to pay for admin services and support themselves which comes at a cost. If anyone's looking forward to lower fares then they're setting themselves up for disappointment.

Will Loganair adopt the back office booking systems of sister airline BMI Regional ?

Could be the start of them working closer together once BE franchise ends.

IOM
 

With the closure of citywings has this opened up an opportunity to take over the Glasgow to IOM route? Surely now it can be made commercially viable as it would be the only airline on the route.

I think Loganair is the airline to fill the void left by Citywing's closure.

Belfast City twice daily ideally, on Saab and done in conjunction with GLA and potentially EDI rotations. BHD twice daily on a Saab would be a significant increase in capacity, but given the fares that Citywing were collecting for very short trips, I believe that Loganair could stimulate the market and grow the business. EDI as an aside while non operational of late it had enjoyed stronger numbers than GLA in the mid 2000's, circa 2006.

The underlying challenge will be loganair's ability to cost effectively deliver such an operation without basing aircraft and crew on the Island, in which case a daily Scotland -IOM-Belfast -IOM-Scotland rotation would appear more feasable. They certainly could look to lever costs at airports like IOM/BFS/BHD...

Which begs the question - why has Loganair never done that before? Maybe because they don't feel it is worth the effort? Citywings chased them off the rock within ten weeks when Loganair tried BHD and BLK a couple of years back - despite the superior aircraft, better brand and - on paper - the better economics of a larger operation.

To be honest, I believe that most of the Citywing routes will be gone for good unless some foreign airline with a 19 seater shows up or the routes get some sort of subsidy. Purely commercial regional flying is more or less dead.

Virginblue,

You make a lot of sense here, but to be fair Citywing had 10 daily iom bhd serving both airports , with very low costs, ie a prop with low fuel burn and a well known name in the market, business people had frequency and the locals in IOM knew they were on these routes. Loganair also are quite risk averse, this time without an incumbent they might look at it...

It would be great if Loganair can find a way to add such services however I am not holding my breath. They have operated IOM to both GLA and EDI before when they operated as both BA and Flybe franchisees.

Even with these more "recognised" brands there was insufficient traffic. Citywing only took over the IOM-GLA route after Loganair/Flybe pulled out and after the IOM and Scottish Governments got involved.

I don't think there have ever been 10 daily lfights to Belfast. I think it maxed out at 5 daily when Manx2 had the short-lived split operation serving both BFS and BHD. There has never been more capacity than 100 seats daily and for last couple of years it was between 60-80 seats. So with the 35seat Saabs on the way out at Loganair to make room for a 50seat replacement, I don't really see how Loganair could be a long-term option. And a once daily flight is not really useful - folks can than just as well travel via Dublin or take the ferry or connect via MAN.

The new website looks to be up and running.

Hm, needs some fine tuning.

You should not start your fleet presentation with the smallest aircraft, and you should not start your fares sub-menu with compassionate fares talking aobut deaths, illnesses etc.

Looks like Eastern's former Commercial Director is bringing her 'talent' to the fore!

Not sure if this has been posted but Loganair are axing the seasonal Shetlands - Aberdeen - Faroe Islands route that was due to start in May.

Not sure they've bothered telling their customers yet though... I only found out through the grapevine and pushed them to refund me.

I'd have thought most folk would just look at fares via the website, and it's perhaps the case (given what Loganair do) that the compassionate fare system is of major importance in its home market, yet unappreciated outside of it. And they might just consider the Islander to be the flagship of the fleet - I'm sure I recall reading somewhere that the 50th anniversary of operating from Kirkwall occurs at about the same time as their franchise switchover....

New website reminds me that a handful of handy Logan / FlyBe connections are going to disappear from from 1 September. NWI-MAN-BHD springs to mind, which I've found quite handy in the past.

That's all well and good, but I'd imagine a significant proportion of the ABZ-FAE punters aren't from Shetland, myself included.

For a route that's due to start in just over a month or so, to not have contacted anyone a week after the news was released/leaked to the press is a poor show imo. They were still flogging tickets for it at the time of my refund.

Loganair are going to be using an ATR42 on the DND-STN flights from April 9 through to May 16. Does anyone know where this aircraft is being leased from ?

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They are hoping that a codeshare will be agreed, however I don't think you'll see the same fares... hopefully they will work together as it's beneficial to both airlines.

Going to be leased from DOT LT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOT_LT

I noticed the posties aircraft is painted up in the new Loganair colours now, and the 340 we were on from BEB on Monday was now white - with a few bits of Flybe colours that they seemed to have missed ;)

So I have a question after a discussion I had recently - I am sure someone here will be able to answer! When new logos and colour schemes are put on aircraft, are they actually physically painted? Or are they some kind of giant sticker? I had always thought they were really painted.

I did try to google it, honest! But it seems the answer may be so obvious that it is not necessary for anyone to write it down - at least, where I can find it...

Some large base colours are painted- but quite a bit of the specifics are usually decals or something similar.

So we are three and half months to Loganair and Flybe parting company.
And still Loganair have not announced codeshares with Flybe, British Airways or Aer Lingus.

I really hope they sort something out - I have several flights to/from Wick that I need to book and am loathe to risk seperate reservations.

This press release is basically we're working on it.

In other news, I am stupidly tickled by this pun on their website.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4162/3...7f9f60ec_m.jpg

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From a purely self interested perspective, in NWI we're about to lose the handy NWI-MAN-BHD connection (and presumably a couple of others).

It seems Loganair aren't wasting any time and are fighting back with a BMI and BA codeshare which will hopefully come into effect soon. Would it make sense for Loganair to expand their route structure to attempt to compete with BEE on some of their routes from ABZ, EDI and GLA? BHX/MAN/BHD/LCY perhaps?

Highlands and Islands air battle launched - The Scotsman

Flybe response seems to the franchise agreement breakup seems excessive, and totally unexpected based on Loganair's MD's response, which is unprofessional but that is the nature of the industry I suppose. Flybe's and Eastern's reputations aren't great and it will be fascinating to see how things pan out over the next year. I can't quite see T3 JS41's, and their recent performance/operating style fitting into the BEE corporate image somehow.

Also; competition on a lot of these thin routes will be difficult and I suspect although in the short term there may be a benefit for PAX with the competition, it may backfire in the long term.

Don't forget Loganair have already scrapped CC fees and will keep the first bag free. Flybe/Eastern aren't doing that...

Looks like Loganair are acquiring an EMB145 - Routes Online report that they plan to use one from Inverness from September for 3x daily to MAN and daily to Dublin.

The EMB145 is a BMI Regional aircraft, this is now showing on Loganair's booking journey as Loganair operated by BMI Regional. Looks to fairly long term as flights are showing this until end of March.

Starts on Monday 3rd July will position in from ABZ on sunday

Anyone know when the Do.328s are to be phased out. Jethros indicates all three are up for sale. G-BYHG hasn't been seen for a long while. Extended maintenance at BOH?

Bmi regional embraer operated Inverness Dublin today...

Also did the MAN flights.