Looks as though Loganair have had a rethink on LDY - MAN. According to local press report this morning this service is to resume at the start of May - wonder what has changed to prompt the U turn?

Nothing yet on here:


http://icderry.icnetwork.co.uk/news/


Would this still be run as a BA flight number or as a Loganair only flight? What about the mystery operator due to start MAN and BHX?

Report was in this morning's Belfast News Letter - about the mystery operator, announced today Aer Arann starting LDY - MAN & BHX on 17 June - if the Loganair report is correct presumably they're trying to get in first on the MAN. Begs the question though whether demand will support two operators.

This news is confirmed on the airport's website -www.cityofderryairport.com-
Great news for the region! It'll be very interesting if Loganair decide to return to the LDY-MAN route...watch this space!

Loganair Routes
 

noticed on BA Website that From November Loganair
will no longer be running the Kirkwall-Wick-Edinburgh
route. Flight from Edinburgh to Wick now goes onto
Sumburgh just wondered whats the reason for the
change ? Is there no longer flights now between Wick
and Kirkwall ?

Loganair to restart LDY - MAN?
 

My agents report Scotland's finest will reenter the fray south of the border in late July. Soon the world will be theirs :8 .

Schedules start on 22July

BA8962 LDY-MAN 1015 1130
BA8963 MAN-LDY 1200 1315

BA8962 LDY-MAN 1345-1500
BA8963 MAN-LDY 1530-1645

mondays-fridays from 22July , then sundays from 24July.

Looking at the LDY website it would appear (at least from the timetable info) that AerArann are ceasing ops from the end of July on both the MAN and BHX routes....only a month or so after increasing capacity on both these routes!

22 July is when the new PSO arrangements begin with Loganair keeping the LDY-DUB, and gaining NOC-DUB.

This additional route will stretch them - expect more wet leasing in the short term.

ecj

there are more Saabs on the way I believe, one due Jul 12 according to jethros. As for overstretch they knocked back SXL and CFN for that reason.

loganair withdraws glasgow - galway
 

Announced today - Tuesday & Wednesday service stops 26 July and remainder on the 22 August.

Gosh the airline business is so full of strange coincidences.

So, Loganair get the Irish Government Subsidised PSO contracts from the Irish Government for Sligo and Donegal - oh but on the morning they get awarded them they suddenly decide they are unable to do them - so magically Aer Arann get them at a higher fee. Oh - how lucky for Aer Arann.

Then oh magically Aer Arann do not get the LDY PSO contract and quickly pull all their flights from LDY - and oh as if by magic Logan announce on the same day they will start flying MAN-LDY - the very day Arann stop. Magic. Oh - how lucky for Logan.

So kind then of Loganair to stop flights to Galway making life a bit easier for Aer Arann. How lucky for all concerned.

Smells like teen spirit.

But gosh - there is a worse smell off that Euromanx debtors ledger in GWY though. Explain that to the auditors!

Neidin
Why don't you explain to all concerned why you can materially benefit from your posting above. You are a bitter little person, nobody attacks your patch in the way you attack everyone else's. Attack RE, attack 3W attack GWY attack SNN, CRK, DUB, You can run............Come clean!

NOC, NOC - who is there Edge?

neidin

Logan didn't have to talk to Arann to divine their intentions re LDY, merely take note of previous RE-actions.

These routes are essentially supported by the PSO money and thus it is no surprise that Logan and Arann are swapping routes since they are swapping PSOs and Logan doesn't have unlimited aircraft (as seen by their knock back of SXL/CFN) since their new (to them) Saabs are replacing retiring ATPs.

So Log stop GLA - GWY to make life easier for Arann on EDI - GWY?

Well done, you have just redefined tenuous. And to say your post is littered with in-accuracies is being very kind.:zzz:

I'd say that cheap fares with FR from SNN to PIK on a nice big Boeing also has had a large part to play in Logan's decision to pull out of GLY. Does anyone know what their loads to from Galway were ?

Pity that the choice to Scotland from the West of Ireland is now one less - but thats competition I suppose.

CAA stats show the following scheduled pax totals for Glasgow-Galway this year.

Jan 328
Feb 386
March 431
April 501
May 602

These figures were taken from the CAA provisional lists of stats but they usually give a pretty accurate picture of the final figures.

Of course the figures don't show airlines so if more than one sched airline flew this route it would not be possible to break them down further.

However, it seems from reading this thread that Loganair was the sole carrier so they must all be their pax.

I don't know their frequency or aircraft type so cannot ascertain the average load or percentage load factor.

Finally, as those in the business keep telling me, loads are only one indication. Yields are the important thing.

Quite simply, the aircraft going to GWY can be put to better use on other routes. As MAN and NOC are also starting, and Logan aren't exactly overcrewed or carrying spare aircraft, the simple decision would be to pull an average performing route for a better one.

Don't think competition had much to do with it. SNN-PIK is an extra 100 miles on the road if someone wants to get from GWY - GLA. Bearing in mind the LOG fare from GWY wasn't exactly excessive I doubt it was a major factor.

Loganair are about to lease another couple of Fk50s from Denim Air to be based at GLA, theres already one at ABZ I think, and DUB is one of the rumoured destinations for these a/c!

At €80 return, + €10 NOC departure fee, will they fill a F50 on NOC-DUB?

Also any plans for more routes out of NOC like GLA for Loganair?

Pretty sure the F50 for NOC is pants!

It'll be the SF340 GLA-DUB-NOC

Loganair & Dundee
 

Seeing as how they operate into just about every other airport in Scotland, how come Loganair don't go into Dundee?

Last time I flew into Dundee 2 weeks ago there was an airport there. Perhaps it's gone now though.

This link reveals all www.dundeecity.gov.uk and search for airport under A - Z

Only one route - Scotair to LCY

The Council, who own the airport, have business plans drawn up for several potential routes and airlines with equipment capable of flying from Dundee. I'm sure Loganair would be one of these airlines.

No takers yet however.





Shed Rule :ok:

Excellent news Shedrule,no reason why DND can't join in the overall passenger growth in Scotland.

I notice biz movements are particularly healthy.

(Sorry for my 1st post,bit cheeky :O )

Not at all Richard, your city's football team will pay the price for your comment on Saturday.



Shed Rule:ok:

A-haaaaaa,an Arab !

Sadly I won't be one of the 5000 or so travelling fans to Tannadice this weekend.

Probably new season,same old mince !

Least you can say you're the only top team in Dundee now...

;)

Forget Dundee Richard, try top team in North East Scotland.

Better go and dig out my passport for the Uefa Cup draw on Friday now. :ok:

shedrule,

It probably won't be worth the effort for 1 trip ;)

Sorry couldn't help myself.

What are the facilities like at DND? I have only ever seen the airpot when on the train i think, doesn't really look like there is much too it?

Cheers

Rooster

Its ok, one trip is still better than none;)

Facilities are ok, apron was recently extended and some flash new equipment bought.

The council certainly seem quite positive and are quite proactive about the airport, and ScotAirways apparently do quite well to LCY so could be worse, but then could be better

Would certainly seem to be potential for Scotair and/or Loganair to cautiously spread their wings to e.g

Manchester
Birmingham
Bristol
Southampton
Dublin
Belfast (BHD, of course)

Loganair have enough of a challenge coping with the existing network without taping into new routes.
Edinburgh probably serves the Dundee area well.
Dundee just a tad on the short side for unrestricted operations.

I'm sure Business Air(Euroair before them and Air Ecosse before them)tried a MAN service,as did Eastern more recently.

Surely must be a market for more DND services.

Did Euroair not fly to LHR in the 80s with a 757 oops I mean 748 ?

:ok:

Eastern did MAN and pulled put more or less overnight IIRC. Business Air seemed to make it work ok before them.

Certainly scope for services to Belfast / Dublin (Flybe perhaps) as the two Uni's in Dundee is home to what seems like millions of Irish students during term time.

Went to Birmingham from EDI on Saturday and was more than half empty on the way down so doubt the demand is there from Dundee.

Biggest problems are its to small for Ryanair / Easyjets737's (can only get up to Bae 146's) and Dundee is, more or less, around and hour from the ABZ, EDI and GLA airports so they are not a hassle to travel to.

I have used the airport on many occasions and dearly hope for a route expansion,I once flew on the ill fated eastern servcie and quite enjoyed it the main reeason I saw foe the failure was the ticketing done by BMI i Man. the only time I used the servcie Eastern kept telling Me that there were seats available and BMI kept saying it was full apparently this happened a lot and subsequently put pax off travelling with Them with subsequent loss of revenue.

Sure some services used to drop in on the way to / from ABZ as well, cant think of too many reasons why that may not be viable on some services.

There is defiantely an airport in Dundee have flow from it with Scotairways to London City Airport, i also live under the landing path of the airport.
There is also a summer saturday service to Jersey with Brymon, im not sure who does it now, ive a feeling it may VLM, and these flights have been operated for at least the past 10 years, see Dundee - Jersey. There was also as some have said the Business Air flights to Aberdeen, Edinburgh and Manchester, which eventually were operated by British Midland. There was also the short lived Eastern Airways flight to Manchester.
Also for one summer season back around 1997 there was a Dundee to Majorca flight which operated i think from memory via BOH with a Flightline BAe146.

Dundee Airport
Runway
BA Dash 8
Scotairways Do328

I did DND ~ EDI at some point in the summer of 1998. It was a company called Business Air, as I recall, who had just been bought by BD. It was a Saab 340 and an 11 minute hop. The flight had come from ABZ (again, if memory serves) and was continuing down to MAN. The flight was VERY expensive about £50 for the single but was the only way to get quickly between the two places when needed.

A grand little airport and still there when I looked out of the train window last Friday on my way from EDI to ABZ by GNER.