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Scottie 8th Oct 2005 20:09

EDINBURGH
 
So.........

They've started work on the new pier.

The tower should be operational this month.

bmi and other airlines have slated Edinburgh Airport as being slow to expand.

http://business.scotsman.com/transpo...?id=2051682005

http://business.scotsman.com/transpo...?id=2047902005

What future for the airport of Scotland's capital?

To start the ball rolling I'd like to see prop aircraft like FlyBe and BA Citiexpress etc moved form the main terminal (inlcuding the new pier) and put out on remote stands. This would necessitate the BAA to actually employ some bus drivers to coach passengers to these aircraft, a novel concept for the BAA. This would free up stands for the bigger aircraft. Would also reduce congestions etc etc.

Discuss!

airhumberside 8th Oct 2005 20:51

I would change the title to caps lock

GoEDI 8th Oct 2005 21:58

This winter should see good growth continued, with daily flights to GVA courtesy of EZY and GSM, plus new flights to WAW and CO upgrading the EWR-EDI to a daily B762.
The airlines have a point though, the terminal is inadequate just now.

billyg 9th Oct 2005 08:21

I think EDIs growth could well be stunted over winter/spring due to the problems previously mentioned at peak periods . HLX are pulling Hamburg , GSM are pulling Prague and Jet2 are pulling MAN and there could be more to follow as EZY are reported to be getting disgruntled re delayed departures. I think the fact that EZYS next A319 base is to be GLA speaks volumes about how the airline currently views the gridlock situ at peak times at EDI . I'm sure the next A319 base would have been at EDI, otherwise!

PPRuNeUser0178 9th Oct 2005 08:51

When (If) EZY goes A319 at GLA, EDI will either be done just before, just after or you could find pilots from both bases on the courses at the same time. As to when the airframes actually arrive will be a scheduling task, but HQ in LTN views EDI and GLA as one SCOTTISH base, so all this talk of who will or wont get airbus up here is irrellevent, when a decision is made it will be that Scotland (EZY) is going airbus and the rest will be down to planning.

They would like to (trying to) dual base us up here anyway, so having one base 737 and the other A319 would make no sense whatsoever!

:cool:

GoEDI 9th Oct 2005 15:16


I think EDIs growth could well be stunted over winter/spring due to the problems previously mentioned at peak periods . HLX are pulling Hamburg , GSM are pulling Prague and Jet2 are pulling MAN and there could be more to follow as EZY are reported to be getting disgruntled re delayed departures. I think the fact that EZYS next A319 base is to be GLA speaks volumes about how the airline currently views the gridlock situ at peak times at EDI . I'm sure the next A319 base would have been at EDI, otherwise!
But with 2x daily GVA, daily CO B762 to EWR and new flights to HEL and WAW and ARN, that will well outway any negative effect in growth figures. CSA are increasing their PRG-EDI frequency on last winter, so GSM dropping EDI-PRG should have no effect. Jet2 dropping MAN hasn't been confirmed, and if and when they do drop EDI-MAN, there's a possibility it'll be replaced with a more worthwhile route given they already have a base established at EDI.
No reports of EZY being unhappy at EDI, just the hissy fit by bmi the other day, plus EZY's next A319 base is to be BRS, seen nothing confirmed by EZY regarding when GLA or EDI will start seeing A319s based.

Scottie 9th Oct 2005 18:10

Agree with ezy driver and goEdi. I've been told that EDI would convert to Airbus in Mar/Apr with GLA following shortly afterwords.

There's a reason EZY is going to GVA from EDI and it's probably to do with money. I'm not going to get into EDI v GLA debate so will leave it at that!

The new pier is wanted by no airlines. BA and BD have both said they're not interested in it. It's going to be a long walk and is going to cause problems with pax getting to their gates on time. In addition the apron only has one entry/exit so unless they build another entrance/exit it's going to ba a nightmare just as the exisiting cul-de-sac is.

By making a small pier they've just restricted the size of the airport for the next 20 years. There was a plan for a new terminal where Ingliston Sunday market is. Can't see that happening for a long time so we're stuck with existing gates and perhaps more remote stands and that's it!

Interested in Jet2 pulling off the MAN route. Would have thought they'd have cleaned up on that one since BA/BD have been running EMB145 and Dash 8's there. Can't believe Jet2 were not filling it. Could we see a bun fight between GSM and Jet2 over some international routes?

GoEDI 9th Oct 2005 22:08


Can't believe Jet2 were not filling it. Could we see a bun fight between GSM and Jet2 over some international routes?
The B733 is just too big for the route, especially when there is already ample air/road/rail links to MAN.
One route that Jet2 could do is EDI-Murcia, Jet2 seem to like Murica.:)

GoEDI 11th Oct 2005 14:49

BAA have released their traffic figures for September:

http://www.baa.com/portal/controller...00147e120a____

EDI handled 782 700 pax for the month, a increase of 6.9% on last year.

The annual rolling total is now 8 373 500, an increase of 6.2% on last year.

After a slow start to the year cargo figures are now rocketing again, 22.7% growth this month.

ATMs also showed a strong increase of 6.6% for the month, at 10 245.

A very good month overall for EDI, the strong growth continues!:)

PPRuNeUser0178 14th Oct 2005 16:22

Interested to note that the ILS and DME has been withdrawn during the day last couple of days and no mention on the NOTAMS, something to do with prooving the new tower, but what has been really surprising is the ATIS, informing us that we can expect a radar vectored approach!!!

NDB? SRA? Vectors for a visual?

Queried this today but approach controller didn't quite get the hint.

Radar vectored approach actually means radar vectors to an NDB with no DME and if you ask they will give you a radar range to start your descent????? But actually relying on a/c calling visual!

All seems very non standard and very surprised that no detailed NOTAM has been issued as to what to expect when they pull the plug on the ILS and DME like this.

Come on guys at least give us a better clue on the ATIS than "radar vectored approach", not everyone is as familiar with EDI and certainly the daily services by the large schedule carriers can have crews on them who have never been to EDI before although the flight number goes every day.


:ok:

Stall-Warner 14th Oct 2005 21:52

Guys - give EDI management a break!

Do you bus drivers have any idea what it is like to manage an airport?? You chaps seem to think that everyone's job is as simple as yours - trust me, sitting in the left hand seat is very different to being a captain of industry.

You should try it some day, assuming you make the grade...

GrahamK 15th Oct 2005 08:07

Delta are going to be starting EDI-Atlanta

billyg 15th Oct 2005 08:30

Yes GK , I can smell the unmistakable whiff of 30 pieces of Scottish Executive silver!

Runway 31 15th Oct 2005 08:37

Just like Continental got when starting Glasgow-Newark. Does it matter how, why, where, just be happy we have a new destination without going via London.

billyg 15th Oct 2005 08:47

R31 , the Executive bribes were not in place when COA stated GLA- Newark , they were in evidence when COA "decided" to add EDI. As Delta have been considering GLA - Atlanta recently it is clear that the powers that be have swayed them to operate from their centre of the universe instead!

Richard Taylor 15th Oct 2005 09:01

Fe Fi Fo Fum,

I smell the whiff of EDI v GLA again... :rolleyes:

Whoever has got ATL,it's great news for SCOTLAND.

Jordan D 15th Oct 2005 09:32

Indeed - now all we need is an airport railway station, and then the whole of Scotland can access the airport easily!

Jordan

Carnethy 15th Oct 2005 12:10

Hey that is good news. But haven't read anything about it in the local papers? SO does anyone have any more infor about EDI - Atlanta? Like when does the service start?, aircraft?, etc. Will there be sufficient demand to fly this route? Questions, questions!!

airhumberside 15th Oct 2005 12:20

An online article from the Scotsman said daily from next May

GoEDI 15th Oct 2005 16:39

Great news this, almost certainly will be B763. Look forward to finding out more on Tuesday!

Billyg must be forgetting where the majority of the SE's fund is going...

goldeneye 15th Oct 2005 18:40

Good news, ive just seen the article on the Scotsman website here is the link Edi-Atl

Oshkosh George 16th Oct 2005 13:35

I read elsewhere ,the main reason for EDI is the preponderance of business travellers(more revenue),against GLA's mainly leisure travellers.

Delta's choice,not the SE.

son of a ..... 16th Oct 2005 18:41

ATL
Great news, have used the EWR a few times but ATL is better for MCO connections. I do hope Delta having just gone into Ch 11 are not using their position to knock Continental off the EWR?
Mind you where I live NCL is a little easier to get to, was hoping Continental were going to do a EWR instead of AA JFK!

saman 17th Oct 2005 10:32

Great to see a better choice from EDI.

I'm looking forward to EDI-TLS so that I can get away from the Mum-in-law faster! For a related reason, I'm not quite so keen on TLS-EDI!

Saman

GoEDI 18th Oct 2005 17:16

ATL-EDI now confirmed by DL, but no schedules on their website yet it seems.

Oshkosh George 22nd Oct 2005 14:21

Jet2 has announced new routes from EDI (apparently!). Very short on detail,I'm afraid.You may have to register to view the very short story---

http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh.cfm?id=2127212005

I checked the Jet2 website,and nothing there.

Anybody know anything?

GoEDI 22nd Oct 2005 23:53

No new routes yet! All that has happened is that Jet2 have confirmed their intention to launch a series of new routes, no more detail that that. It was half expected anyway.
One thing we do know for sure about Jet2 and EDI, is that MAN isn't getting dropped, as some would have had you believe recently.

Edinburgh


Manchester - Edinburgh, February & March 06 flights on sale soon!

SASfox 24th Oct 2005 10:45

Murcia 2006
 
Jet2 to start EDI-MJV from 8th April with 2 flights a week increasing to 5 a week from mid summer.

GoEDI 24th Oct 2005 18:43

More routes to come from Jet2 too!:D

http://www.jet2.com/

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/in...?id=2138102005

Oshkosh George 24th Oct 2005 22:55

Jet2 are asking where YOU want to fly to from EDI. Fill in your choice on the home page. I like their approach!

GoEDI 25th Oct 2005 00:21


Jet2 are asking where YOU want to fly to from EDI. Fill in your choice on the home page. I like their approach!
Indeed, although I'm sure they already know what routes they are going to annouce, really. This could just be a nifty way of getting as many email addresses as possible to send out the emails regarding these new routes they have actually already decided on, when they officially announce them in the not too distant future.;)

EI-CFC 25th Oct 2005 08:21


This could just be a nifty way of getting as many email addresses as possible to send out the emails regarding these new routes they have actually already decided on
Well it seems to accept "mis-typed" addresses :p :D

airhumberside 28th Oct 2005 13:15

Two new GSM routes next summer

Murcia on Saturdays
Ibiza on Saturdays and Sundays

Scottie 28th Oct 2005 16:15

So GSM is also going to Murcia from Edinburgh alongside Jet2. Already their is competition between locos at EDI.

All good news for the punters as this will lower fares but how much can Jet2 and GSM afford to bleed?

Already GSM is taking on easyJet on the GVA despite eJ getting the subsidy so easyJet is already at an advantage.

Now GSM is going head to head with Jet2 on Murcia. Could GSM get squeezed badly here?

Already their Stansted service appears to be running poorly. Was listening on the handling frequency recently at STN to here GSM coming in with 42 passengers. This can only be a 33% load factor. Quite what the yield is I don't know.

So what next in the EDI Loco fares wars????

GoEDI 28th Oct 2005 16:37


Could GSM get squeezed badly here?
It'd be their own fault if they do! With Murcia at such a pitiful frequency though, it's clearly just aimed directly at Jet2 just so Jet2 are aware that EDI is Flyglobespan's territory.;) However, I was hoping they could avoid treading on each others toes like this...:rolleyes: STN loads are certainly picking up, but then, they certainly aren't getting the load factors that EZY get on the STN routes on a regular basis.

GSM have just increased EDI-FAO to daily for next summer and with Ibiza getting annouced too, how possible is it that these were the other routes Jet2 are to annouce imminently? very....?

GoEDI 10th Nov 2005 14:33

Flyglobespan have annouced EDI-BOH, what are the odds that that was going to be another of Jet2's routes? as well as IBZ?;) GSM certainly aren't going to let Jet2 settle in at EDI, and even after GSM being given the use of Jet2 aircraft when they needed it in the past...;)

GoEDI 23rd Nov 2005 14:02

SkyEurope have annouced flights to Krakow from next April! Showing as 3x weekly, not sure what good arriving into Krakow at 0055 is going to be though!:eek:

GoEDI 29th Nov 2005 18:57

Rumour of Centralwings starting Gdansk-EDI, however Centralwings don't serve Gdansk yet, does anyone of their intentions there? Planning to open a base?

Scottie 30th Nov 2005 04:34

Interesting that none of these routes seem to be able to sustain more than one carrier on them. Margins must be pretty thin.

For instance GSM have pulled out of Prague from EDI as CSA was on the route. Rumour has it they are pulling off the STN from GLA where they are competing with EZY and soon BER. How long before they pull off EDI-STN if BER come on it.

They're going head to head to fend off Jet2 with Murcia and Bournemouth.

My other half flew Jet2, EDI to MAN recently and there were only about 30 people on the flight. BA & BMI both fly on this route.

EDI to GVA is going to be an interesting one. EZY have the subsidy and are flying it year round. GSM aren't so will be interesting to see if they stick with it.

Full marks to GSM and Jet2 for testing the market and being innovative. Hopefully they can find the right mix of routes for them. At the moment it appears GSM wants to knock out Jet 2. At that point I think low cost will become a cartel with nobody treading on each others toes.

matkat 30th Nov 2005 06:23

I fly EDI-MAn-EDI every week and the numbers are certainly picking up but do agree that sometimes there are about 30 pax on board but this is usually LS781 on Monday morning.


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