I wish eujet all the best.I have seen the check in queue at manchester for the early flight and could see there were at lease 70 people in it.I really hope the bfs service does well but i think an evening service needs to be added to and from bfs as well.I also think an snn to bfs service shoud re commence.

Well said Matching! It's unfortunate, but there are a lot of begrudgers in this industry . . .

May be they buy RE in Irlande. Take the EURO 19m from Irlande people. Can make JAR for RE? They can make JAR145 for RE mess. Take EURO 19m.

December CAA loads
 

Latest numbers from the CAA for December overall load factor up a further 2% points from November to 39%.

Amsterdam 32%
Barcelona 36%
Dublin 42%
Edinburgh 45%
Faro 24%
Geneva 41%
Glasgow 41%
Madrid 35%
Malaga 42%
Manchester 39%
Murcia 51%
Nice 29%
Prague 48%
Salzburg 37%
Shannon 46%
Toulouse 29%
Zurich 26%

Loads have been pretty bad across all airlines this December, especially for Flybe at Southampton. With this in mind EUJet do seem to be doing satisfactorilly.

Dublin from Kent International seems to be doing very well... I believe the load factors averaged almost 50% on this route. What capacity are u using bean_counter??

On the other hand, routes like Faro shouldnt be operated at 24% through the winter. Far too low to even encourage growth - i can't see it jumping up 40% any time soon.

I was down in AGP last week and saw the EU Jet flight being operated by a Flightline 146. Not many people on board either.

Would you want to be going to AGP with this weather forecast ?http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.sh...rld=4610&links :)

Nakata77 said "Loads have been pretty bad across all airlines this December, especially for Flybe at Southampton. With this in mind EUJet do seem to be doing satisfactorilly."

In December 580,507 passengers passed through Luton up a massive 26.4% This was done with only an increase of 15.5% in ATM's to 5224.

Sadly Nakata77 your comments are in just one case, wildly inaccurate.

40% average load factor in December for EUJet is simply shocking! How long will the banks subsidse this loss making organisation?

http://whipsnade.co.uk/picturelibrar...r_120_wide.jpg

my coments regard regional routes:

bmibaby at Teeside 45% on some routes
bmibaby at Cardiff 55%
Jet2 Leedsbradford Palma 35%
Flybe Southampton Bergerac 40%


London is obviously a different concern,if loads were at those above in London they wouldn't last a season.

Nakata77,

I can't speak for your other examples but you are a bit off with the LBA-PMI Jet2 route

During December there were only 2 flights a week (Tu + Sa) and 1771 pax carried. Plus Christmas Day was a Saturday so no flight.

Capacity: 148x2x7=2072

therefore,

load factor 1771/2072=85%

Not bad at all. LBA-PRG managed it's best load of the year at 90%.

PTH

Edited for error over lack of Christmas Day flight

I would also add to PTH's post that the Flybe figure is not really that good for comparison.....Bergerac at 40% (I question the figure) on a Q400 will still lose far less money than MSEAGP on a F100. (The Q400 break even is about 30seats at average fare)

It would have been better to compare all regional flights to AGP. This would be a far better comparison. Somehow I very much doubt that Flybe's SOUAGP was anywhere near 40%. It would have been much higher.

Going slightly off thread but, flybe's SOU-NCL is doing very well Nov/Dec load factors were in the 80%'s!
As for Easy's AGP well that must be in the high 80% if not 90%'s for December!
:)

Its easy to find one bad route on an airline, as demonstrated above.

But when an entire route network is performing dismally, as demonstrated by the EUjet data above that questions are being asked. One or two routes are showing promise, but that does not make an airline. For an easy comparison, look at Buzz.

December is usually a stronger month for travel when compared to November. Jan and Feb are the weakest months, so I wonder where EUJet will be load factor wise this time next Month.

They must be bleeding cash at present. Even the weaker of the European Lo-Cos can manage 70%+ LFs in the depts of Winter with 150-190 seater a/c. EUjet need to take drastic action now on their network or they won't see a S05. Can anyone put approx corresponding yields to these Dec LF figures per route?

How big are their pockets and how much appetite do they have for this business?

Oh dear........here we go again!.............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.:hmm:

daft question maybe, but wondering where you get your stats from given that ERG stats for Dec 04 are provisional and by international route (assuming you then break it down by a/l and a/c type). where did you get the domestic data from, a/p or a/l direct?

This is a (1) new airline with (2) its main operating base at a "new" (to Joe Public) airport in the (3) depths of winter.

If EUJet were not prepared for those three factors contributing to sub50% LF (by using aircraft at a costbase which permitted acceptable losses, i.e. FK100s acquired cheaply) then they are in trouble. Planestation have completed the buyout and installed a new CEO, they have to make it work or else the airport is doomed too - or else it will be bought at firesale by Tony Ryan or someone else and made FR's newest empire on the back of EUJet's trailblazing!

Well said MarkD!

From Canada you can see the issues clearly. Shame that many in Britain can't do the same.

Let's reinvigorate this thread!

Koeln has disappeared from the website: clearly bookings were poor.

Mark D:
"Planestation have completed the buyout and installed a new CEO,"

Does that mean that PJ McG is no longer involved? Just curious, thanks.