Eujet Loads

[rmo757]

Had a good friend of mine travel on eujet MSE-AMS 19oct and loads were less than 30 on the prime slot one.... tick.......?

[Havana]

Did they say how much they paid for each seat ?

25 people at XXX pounds would have paid for the flight

[Cyrano]

Havana:

You're quite right, but...

I did a little experiment.

I'd assume that a Friday flight would be (significantly) busier than a Tuesday flight.

I'd assume that by now (Thursday), virtually all the passengers who are going to fly tomorrow have booked, so the fare on offer for tomorrow morning's flight is about as high as it's going to get.

That said, eujet.com is quoting me £54.50 plus taxes for going out MSE-AMS tomorrow. I fear that 30 x £54.50 would barely cover the operating costs, let alone the overhead. And in practice, £54.50 is the highest (or nearly the highest) fare - the average will be a lot lower. I note that AMS-MSE next Wednesday (for example) is £7.00 plus tax.

The tradeoff with no-frills carriers is that the fare may be lower but the breakeven seat factor is higher. It's definitely not below 30%! Twice that (60%) would be more like it, I reckon (I'm being optimistic, allowing for the low ownership cost of the aircraft and the fact that typically, of the "taxes and charges" collected in addition to the basic fare, not all actually gets paid out in taxes and charges due to discounts).

C.

[Oshkosh George]

Yes,but ALL new routes have to start this way. Even Ryanair and easyJet probably had low uptakes initially,unless they were GIVING them away!

It's all down to advertising IMO,and they really have to saturate the newspapers,local radio,even TV. I don't know if this has been done.

[serko]

You also have to remember they are owned by Planestation who own Manston airport. Therefore the airport and the group as a whole profit from the landing fees charged on the tickets as well as from concessions(car parking/retail sales etc).

So even if Eujet make a slight loss this could be offset by the profit to Manston (not sure if Manston are making a profit on this deal I suppose that depends on the load factors as well).

But realistically you could have a point whereby the group profits more from 20,000 passengers paying £10 from a ticket than 10,000 paying £25 a ticket.

[The_Bean_Counter]

Using my many years of bean counting experience I'd say they are f**ked

[billyg]

I noticed that Wednesdays Manston-Glasgow afternoon flt was shared with Edinburgh and was EIGHT hours late arriving. Not looking good , is it?

[rmo757]

Have to agree with the bean on that one.......

[niknak]

Airline owned by airport given discounts on landing and passenger fees by airport owner who has a vested interest in them?

What would the EU commision have to say on the matter?

If EU Jet are still in business by the time it comes to the notice of the EU....

[serko]

They're not given discounts on landing fees though, but the landing fees could make the airport more profitable than Eujet is lossmaking so it could be a good deal for the company.

[Jamesair]

My understanding is that the EU would only become involved if the airport is State owned or Local Authority owned.
As Manston is a privately owned airport I think they are free to offer whatever subsidies they choose.

[Boss Raptor]

Have been on EUJET in last 6 weeks;

Madrid - 20ish pax out 17 pax. flight canx on return - see Pax & SLF forum

Dublin - midweek about 30 pax

AMS - midweek about 30 out, 45-50 back

[Jes]

This pm (Friday)

EUJ205 to Amsterdam 71
EUJ207 to Madrid 75

[DidItMyWay]

Average load factor varies widely, some routes under 10%, others over 70%.

[javier.mjv]

I work as flight dispacher at MJV, where Eujet fly from/to Shannon and Kent.
Today´s flight to SNN (EUJ318) 75 pax
Today´s flight to MSE (EUJ252) 61+03 pax
Incomming flights expected to be nearly full.

I do think there is a great differences among Eujet routes. I would say business routes (where there are, in my opinion two many frenquencies on some of them) loads are not very high, quite different from leisure destinations where loads are quite high.

Regards,

[Jes]

Thanks for the info, Javier.mjv. I think today's MSE-MJV has 2 seats unbooked.

What exactly are business and leisure routes?

The Faro and seaside routes: yes. What are Barcelona and Madrid? A bit of each, perhaps. Do they need to be served Monday to Friday?

Manchester and Edinburgh are doing very well, with both business and leisure traffic. Dublin and Amsterdam are a bit patchier, with better loads around weekends. Prague is getting a Friday flight in December, putting it up to 5 a week. Nice stays at 4. Glasgow midday: is that business?

Does a "business" destination require a service every weekday? I believe that Madrid and Barcelona flights could be thinned out to 3 per week each. Use the capacity to do extra sun services.

I forgot Jersey: what a dog!

[chipsbrand]

It might be a good idea if EUJet were to read Barbara Cassani's book about how he managed Go. That company only started to come good when they started the leisure routes.

[Jes]

I've just found some leisure routes on sale for next summer.

Manston to

Murcia Sun Tue Fri
Malaga Sun Mon Fri Sat(2!!)
Ibiza Wed Sat
Faro Mon Thu Sat

They must be reading the book.

[HZ123]

I did not know that Barbera had undergone a sex change op but that as well as 'GO' not bad. I imagine that EU will anyway have a plan as to what to expect over the first months or year. I am a little suprised that they to my knowledge have not undertaken any national advertising just to get the name in feature. There may be people in Kent that still have no knowledge of this newish operation.

[serko]

HZ123,

I think that as what the seat sale was for according to the EUjet management they think word of mouth and repeat business will come from that promotion. It's probably cheaper than a national advertising campaign as well.