so you can justify a 1hr 26min turnaround.......although I can tell you it was airborne ex CRK a good twenty minutes earlier than you claim!

Don`t think that "AE" has claimed he knows the airborne time from Cork:confused:He posted the arrival time at EGAE

Thanks Voldermort.As for Runawayedge , LTE allow 1hr 10 min turnaround for this flight at City of Derry so they are guilty of being on the ground 16 minutes later than planned - hardly a drama. the vast majority of LTE's Palma, Reus and Lanzarotte charters usually turn around in about 55mins - 1hr 5mins.The 16 min delay i suggest was probably due to the ramp congestion- a problem that is being dealt with. Time to take your little axe and grind it elsewhere.

I have heard that an airline might be interested in a route to Manchester from Londonderry

MAN - LDY was an old Loganair route which they stopped and started a few times depending on plane availability. Always seemed to do OK (on a small plane). Aer Arann tried it and dropped it. Wonder if BMI Baby are sniffing around it given that Ryanair get decent (but nor spectacular) loads on their LPL - LDY run.

Would not be surprised if it was baby....maybe a straight transfer from NOC, I heard they are struggling a bit on this route (rumour no verbal assaults please) and for clarity my timings were right on the LTE, but matter closed, and no axe to grind!

and for clarity my timings were right on the LTE, but matter closed, and no axe to grind! - Runawayedge

I'm sorry but it's not closed, far from it. You decided to come on this forum and Lie / exagerate ( you chose - I know which one i'm going with !) about the LTE6352/6353's ATA & ATD and claiming it didn't take fuel when it did. You've subsequently been exposed as being totally wrong so get over it.Next time you go spouting off, get your facts right first as you'll usually find someone has access to the proper information ready to put you right.
If your still claiming your timings are right about the LTE lets here them and we'll see how they compare with the CAA stats - I could do with a laugh. Oh and I can produce a copy of the fuel docket too if your still claiming it didn't take fuel before a 4 & a half hour flight direct to GCRR full of pax.
NOW the matter is closed!

My feelings on LDY are that the Airport will only get better.
Spirits amongst some of the staff despite the recent bad press seem to be higher...wonder why :}
Now at least the place will move on and continue to provide a valuable service to the people of the North West without posing any threat to our other two Airports.
The new apron expansion will be a great help, I've seen how close the 738 wingtip comes to the corner wall of the baggage reclaim...not much room for error!
Any more word on the Runway extension.

Anybody now what they are doing to a field beside the airport, is that going to be part of the apron.

Alpha Echo......calm down I was on the flight, Captain informed the pax he would be making a formal complaint to his company!

Oooh bet they're scared now ! - a complaint about what exactly - being delayed 16 minutes on their turnaround? Runawayedge stop talking complete rubbish - you were on the flight - pity you didn't note it's ATA, the fact it DID take on fuel and it's ATD. Unfortunately for you I was there and witnessed and noted all three. Sort of ruins your "end of holiday nightmare" story doesn't it? I'll let you know if your - opps sorry - LTE's "complaint" turns up......

Stewart 28 if it's the area east of the Hire car offices, i've heard it might be a long stay car park.

BELhold you're not kidding about the Apron - I swear those RYR winglets look a little more bent on departure than they did on arrival ! expansion urgently needed .

Isn't their an apron extension going on as we speak?

Does anyone know how far back the extension will go? What is the proposed new runway length?

I hope they don't move the perimeter fence too far out from what it currently is. You can get such a cool view right underneath aircraft landing 08 ... just a stones throw from the 08 threshold.

And how much extra runway are we going to get to play with in the 738? Never one of my fondest airports to go to....:sad:

Alpha Echo......you are wrong.......sometimes it takes a deep look inwards to improve......for me matter is closed.....but always remember you have two customers airlines and passengers without either you're an empty carpark!

Runawayedge I can understand your desire for the matter to be closed given your public humiliation but no such luck i'm afraid. Your inability to do basic maths is showing again RYR LOG LTE & FCA are four operators not two + 15 based aircraft ranging from microlights to Jet Provost + 3 flying schools + an ever increasing number of Adhoc charters too(does anyone know who the BLE Fokker 100 to Lyon was operated for last night by the way?) and numerous biz jets(3 due in today - info correct at teatime last night) and 2 based cj1 bizjets due this winter once the hangar goes up. Oh, we also have car parks!
Without it's passengers and operators ANY Airport is an empty car park you muppet.
Love the place, hate it with a passion and promise never to fly from/to there again - that's your opinion and choice - just don't lie about it. Forum members surely deserve better.

re ble flt to ldy
 

flt operated frm dub with 68 pax as a jolly for diagio drinks staff from france

What an amusing "discussion"!..runawayedge i think throwing in the towel might be the best option..no man can withstand such a hammering! AE..think you should lay off him now..he's well and truly beaten..i feel he will think before he speaks next time!

Btw runawayedge maybe the tabloids would be interested in your "creative reporting"!

Not quite......wait for the next installment!

Does anyone know if Ryanair will pull out of LDY after they opened a new base at Belfast

During the press event at BHD yesterday MOL said that developments at the new base would not affect operations at LDY. The markets are possibly sufficiently distant for both to work, but I wouldn't be totally confident that there won't be changes to the operations. Ryanair were the driver behind the infrastructue changes at LDY, if they can do the same at BHD and are able to offer an enhanced range and network, the LDY operation will ultimately be reduced.

Not sure of the logic. Why would operating out of BHD mean the end /downgrade of LDY? Demographically and geographically, someone who uses LDY for one of the RYR routes uses it because of convenience. If BFS/BHD was closer they'd use one of those airports, regardless of airline (RYR isn't THAT much cheaper than its competitors in my experience!). Also, it's not like RYR are short of planes!

When I spoke to my base manager he said their is not reason why we should reduce the number of flight to LDY from EMA, we are hoping to take some of Baby's pax with BHD. LDY is a nice place for people to visit for a short break, either with family ties in the Derry area or for those who like the Irish countryside/coast. I guess time will tell but i dont see it being reduced from EMA, pax numbers are doing well, often about the 140 mark.

Lee

City Of Derry/Eglinton
 

There is not much talk on the airport up in Eglinton (LDY), so I thought I would revive it!

To start with here is a look at the scheduled services figures for September 2007 Vs September 2006.

Glasgow 1083/1266 -183
Prestwick 4882/0 +4882
Liverpool 6774/6765 +9
East Midlands 5785/5196 +589
Stansted 12557/13352 -795
Dublin 2428/2719 -291
Totals 33509/29298 +4211

Some interesting results there. Good result on the PIK route.

Alternative options for travelling to Glasgow from the area:
BFS/GLA -630 in sept 07 vs sept 06
BHD/GLA -3231 in sept 07 vs sept 06
CFN/PIK +194 in sept 07 vs sept06

Does this suggest FR service effecting all other alternative.

Stansted services were down on the month but interestingly passenger movements from Belfast BFS & BHD are up on last year by +2836 and FR were down by 795.

Does anyone think that overall figures will change on LDY services with the arrival of the FR base at BHD??????


On a different note:
I was driving from Ballykelly across the hills above the airport. There is a great view of the airfield and a Ryanair 738 took off and it was quite spectacular from the elevated viewpoint.

Hello EI-BUD. About time. LDY deserves its own thread cos the BFS/BHD thread doesn't seem like the best place for discussion.

The October stats for LDY are even better (relatively speaking of course!), with a 20% year-on-year growth. Stansted had 14000+, Liverpool 7500+ and Prestwick and East Mids both about 6000-6500 for the month. Not bad really. after an initial dip the Glasgow Int has recovered and Dublin is pretty steady too.

I don't think FR at BHD will have any impact really, because (and this has been the case for a while) EZY or BMIBaby have been serving the above destinations for some time now, for fares not massively dissimilar to RYR, and logically why would people do the 2 hours to BHD when they could to the 80 minutes to BFS if they wanted an alternative to LDY? (travelling from the nw of course!).

I still think Aer Arann could do a daily ORK. The land journey between the two is bloody awful!!

City of Derry airport
 

Hi "Cuthere".... Great to hear of the October stats, nice to know.

I agree with alot of what you have said. However, I am starting to think that whats happens at LDY is impacted by BHD/BFS. The reason is the example i gave of Glasgow traffic and the impact it shows on EZY and BE from Belfast airports.

I think that the passengers who live in the middle between LDY and BFS?BHD will be in a position to choose. Eg if you live up on the north cost say, you may have similar drive each way same for somewhere like Mid Ulster.

The airport supports a reasonable population locally and in my view a range of city Destination would work in Near Europe, eg AMS, BVA/CDG.
I also think that the north east area will do well in the future from inward tourism. So the future looks good IMHO.

The work seems to be ongoing on the airfield, this is the runway extention I expect? Do you know what the estimation completion date is?

EI-BUD

A middle of the day Cork-Derry by RE would be most welcome to complement the morning and evening flights to Belfast. RE would then have the Cork - Ulster market wrapped up.

How about a LDY/ORK- New York? Put the squeeze both on Belfast and snn!

Ha, ha!

Good to see the PIK-LDY doing well:D

FR has 141 seats (or thereabouts) out of LDY cos of runway length. Do keep up!

As I pointed out above, October was much better with over 6000 on the route, and as far as FR routes go, compared to something like Aberdeen to Liverpool it's doing ok.

ABZ to LPL was fully functioning in the month of reference....hence referral to the stats.....and is still referred to in the October stats.

6131 used the route in October. One a day each way, 62 flights in total that month. That's just over 98 per flight at a load factor ot just over 70% (assuming 141 pax/flight retrictions).

Why the apparent ire anyway?

Its not really accurate to calculate load factors based on 141 pax. When comparing to other FR routes you should compare loads based on 189 seats since routes to Derry may have been launched at the expense of routes to airports with longer runways. When FR are calculating profitability of routes, they will look at loads out of 189 seats.

Thinking about it, I'm not entirely sure what the purpose of this discussion is.....and I know I've helped prolong it!!

I see no reason why number of seats taken versus number of seats available isn't a fair method of comparison, but there you go.

Besides, if RYR aren't making money out of LDY to PIK, or any other route, they'll not be long in dropping it.

189 vs 141
 

I think that for comparison and relevance Ryanair will be looking at loads expressed as a percentage of 189 seats.

At City of Derry, I think that if the media reports are correct, Ryanair are getting a handsome contribution from local council.

The route to PIK may be a small but growing load, it is a short flight and probably fills a gap that the aircraft can do with little time. These factors will effect the viability of the routes.

As well as all that with all this talk of " If Ryanair fills a plane with 1p fares", how can it matter what load they have, the fact is that many passengers pay at last minute high prices. And I think that FR will put up with lower loads at an airport if the overall profit equation works.

They will also be aware that as time goes by the inbound NI tourism will grow and hence their LDY services.

I would have been of the opinion that BHD would have no effect on FR @ LDY but I think that the level of low prices on offer from Oct at BHD, we will see a dip in the BHD STN numbers. However, it is unlikely that they will drop LDY as they will keep the pressure on BFS, there are a significant number of passengers in the middle between BFS and LDY which FR will gladly pick up at LDY!

Fr1676
 

Anyone with any info on what's up with the EMA flight this evening? Landed on time but now delayed.

With Flybe and Loganair agreeing a franchise deal as of October, anyone got any ideas on what will happen the Loganair flights from Derry, and more especially the PSO to Dublin? Will there be any impact at all?

The email I got offered Dublin - Glasgow (via Derry) but did not mention Derry-Dublin or Derry - Glasgow.

The omissions may be an oversight as was about Scottish routes but it would seem to suggest they will continue. I wonder when the PSO's are up for renewal anyway? Without Derry - Dublin I can't see Derry - Glasgow working with FR on the PIK service. Hopefully their is no threat as nice to see something other than FR in LDY.

Loganair LDY DUB
 

Jim French was on BBC radio Ulster/Foyle this lunch time and he said that the Derry/Dublin Route will continue.

It's interesting as BE did LDY DUB in the 90 around 1994, they were doing a triangle between BHD/LDY. LDY/DUB . and DUB LDY. All by SH6.

And BE applied for internal Irish routes some years back when they tendered for PSOs but were unsuccessful.

Not really surprising:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7193546.stm

Apron and Runway
 

There was an Airport Comitte meeting today and some developments and the apron and runway, the apron with be finished by the end of February and the start of the runway in march.

Airfield works
 

Great to see all the new works taking place at Derry. Flew in/out over Christmas on FR to BRS, other than the chaos at security with 2 FR flights going at the same time, everything else worked a treat. Not sure how much more the grass can be cut though...and how bright the runway markings can be. But good to see the long awaited works getting underway.