FR BHX Expansion
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Although we are not competition experts, it does, from the surface, appear that FR did indeed act unjustly in substantially reducing its airfares from DUB to BHX and return. But did just BHX benefit from a huge reduction in price? No: many airports, such as STN, LTN, LGW, MAN and LPL, also had .50 Euros or £0.50p deals to and from DUB. Therefore, it could be argued that the reduction in airfares to and from BHX was a part of a wider promotion instead of a direct attack against MTL. (Note: this promotion has, I believe, now ended.)
The launch of both GRO and MJV from BHX are much harder to justify. Nevertheless, it could be aruged that GRO was expected due to FR serving this Spanish destination from other UK airports (such as STN, PIK and BOH). But why MJV? It currently does not feature widely in its network. As such, it could be a mere one-off or it could be a part of a wider plot to rid MTL of valuable market share and to gain its all-important consumers. I put my money on the latter.
All of this is, of course, just speculation. Accordingly, we will have to wait until the officials investigate the situation - if indeed they do.
The launch of both GRO and MJV from BHX are much harder to justify. Nevertheless, it could be aruged that GRO was expected due to FR serving this Spanish destination from other UK airports (such as STN, PIK and BOH). But why MJV? It currently does not feature widely in its network. As such, it could be a mere one-off or it could be a part of a wider plot to rid MTL of valuable market share and to gain its all-important consumers. I put my money on the latter.
All of this is, of course, just speculation. Accordingly, we will have to wait until the officials investigate the situation - if indeed they do.
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Scenario 3: Doomsday MyTravelLite drops DUB but Ryanair keep its new BHX services anyway (or even launches more) to destroy MyTravelLite and really drive its point home.
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u/s president,
Thats exactly what I was refering to. I just did it in a friendlier manner. Everyone knows why FR and Mytravel Lite are at wars, just as everyone knows that FR plan to push Flybe around.
Thats exactly what I was refering to. I just did it in a friendlier manner. Everyone knows why FR and Mytravel Lite are at wars, just as everyone knows that FR plan to push Flybe around.
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Reading these posts makes me wonder is it not time that somebody took a stand against Ryanair - they seem to bully anyone who dares to cross themm - it appears they doesnt care whether airports lose money as long as they reaps it in - there is competition and there is bullying - all depends on how its done!
Sooner or later somebody will tell them to shove their airline where the sun doesnt shine & the sooner the better!
Sooner or later somebody will tell them to shove their airline where the sun doesnt shine & the sooner the better!
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Even the BBC has picked up the story now: Ryanair battle takes off.
In the best traditions of impartial journalism, two paragraphs are given over for MOL to advertise Ryanair whilst MyTravelLite are not given space to comment; two paragraphs are used to give Ryanair’s latest pax figures whilst MyTravelLite accession to BHX’s biggest carrier goes unmentioned; and the ‘related internet links’ points BBC readers to ryanair.com but not mytravellite.com.
Fortunately Birmingham’s Evening Mail is less sympathetic to MOL after his crazed attack on the airport itself:
If MOL hates BHX so much it makes you wonder why he’s starting the new services. Unless of course he’s only doing it to warn MyTravelLite off DUB 
. Well if every Villa fan boycotts Ryanair, it’ll be a start 
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In the best traditions of impartial journalism, two paragraphs are given over for MOL to advertise Ryanair whilst MyTravelLite are not given space to comment; two paragraphs are used to give Ryanair’s latest pax figures whilst MyTravelLite accession to BHX’s biggest carrier goes unmentioned; and the ‘related internet links’ points BBC readers to ryanair.com but not mytravellite.com.
Fortunately Birmingham’s Evening Mail is less sympathetic to MOL after his crazed attack on the airport itself:
Michael O’Leary, the outspoken boss of no-frills airline Ryanair, unleashed a blistering attack on Birmingham Airport yesterday claiming it had been passed over by the air flight industry because of a refusal to embrace low-fare airlines. Mr O’Leary pointedly accused airport chiefs of “hanging off the coat-tails of British Airways”... a spokesman for Birmingham Airport dismissed Mr O'Leary's attack as “headline grabbing as both FlyBe and MyTravelLite are now bigger operators out of Birmingham than BA”.
A source close to Birmingham Airport said the Girona flight might not even be allowed to be called a Barcelona service under aviation industry laws.
Born with the Blarney Stone in his mouth he courts controversy wherever he goes and, in one of the most cut-throat sectors in civil aviation, his swashbuckling, caviller attitude angers more people than it impresses. In one swipe of his tongue yesterday he alienated Birmingham Airport, British Airways and every low-cost airline in the country – and couldn’t even resist a side swipe at Aston Villa.
A source close to Birmingham Airport said the Girona flight might not even be allowed to be called a Barcelona service under aviation industry laws.
Born with the Blarney Stone in his mouth he courts controversy wherever he goes and, in one of the most cut-throat sectors in civil aviation, his swashbuckling, caviller attitude angers more people than it impresses. In one swipe of his tongue yesterday he alienated Birmingham Airport, British Airways and every low-cost airline in the country – and couldn’t even resist a side swipe at Aston Villa.
. Well if every Villa fan boycotts Ryanair, it’ll be a start .
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With regard to DC10's doing low cost in winter? don't think so.
As for MYL's decision to take RYR on in Dublin well, on the face of it this is at best fundamentally flawed. RYR have money to burn compared to MYL. Either MYL have an ace to play or they'll suffer the same fate as GO when they tried steppin on O'leary's patch.
Personally, I bid good luck to MYL as I have zero time for the Dublin bully-boy..but he didn't get where he is by playing fair with anybody so he's not going to start now. The short term winners will be the passengers. They may enjoy it while it lasts
As for MYL's decision to take RYR on in Dublin well, on the face of it this is at best fundamentally flawed. RYR have money to burn compared to MYL. Either MYL have an ace to play or they'll suffer the same fate as GO when they tried steppin on O'leary's patch.
Personally, I bid good luck to MYL as I have zero time for the Dublin bully-boy..but he didn't get where he is by playing fair with anybody so he's not going to start now. The short term winners will be the passengers. They may enjoy it while it lasts
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carlos vandango: With regard to DC10's doing low cost in winter? don't think so.
EGNR: unless MYL do something pretty drastic in order to sort this thing out
? Does anybody have any suggestions for what ‘drastic’ action they should take to extract themselves from this sticky situation 
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Maybe those DC10's should be used to Run a low cost transatlantic shuttle!
It'll be very interesting to see what way this scenario plays out. I'm baffled as to why a fledgling LCC would dip its toe into such shark infested waters. Maybe O'leary will try to run MYL into the ground and buy it for £1 ?. LCC's have tended not to tread on each other's patch in the past. Good luck anyway to MYL..I think they're gonna need it.
It'll be very interesting to see what way this scenario plays out. I'm baffled as to why a fledgling LCC would dip its toe into such shark infested waters. Maybe O'leary will try to run MYL into the ground and buy it for £1 ?. LCC's have tended not to tread on each other's patch in the past. Good luck anyway to MYL..I think they're gonna need it.
I well remember Go starting Scotland to DUB services for £20. Within an hour of the press release MOL was offering the route for £5. Go dropped to £10 and MOL went to a £1.
Less than 6 months later MOL had the route back to himself and a lot of pilots were muttering "told you so". You can either detest his business tactics or applaud them. I can never decide which way to go!
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Less than 6 months later MOL had the route back to himself and a lot of pilots were muttering "told you so". You can either detest his business tactics or applaud them. I can never decide which way to go!
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But isn't Tim Jeans (ex Ryanair) the boss of MYL . I would have thought he more than anyone would know whether or not to take on Ryanair. Maybe he knows something but then maybe i don't.
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Last I heard was that Jeans was now boss of MyTravel Airways. Someone else was brought in to head MyTravel Lite. Not sure how that works as its all under the one AOC. Anyone care to elaborate?
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Since mid-July, Tim Jeans has been the Chief Operating Officer of MyTravel Airways UK, under the new Managing Director Frank Pullman.
His replacement as Managing Director of MyTravelLite is Vanessa Lenssen, who was the Commercial Director of MyTravelLite under Jeans. However, I would say that Jeans is still the figurehead for MyTravelLite, at least in the eyes of the media.
And yes it’s all one AOC. To the paying public MyTravelLite is just a trading name of MyTravel Airways. Internally, MyTravelLite is a separate business unit that ‘buys its flying’ from MyTravel Airways.
Well in an interview on Friday, this was Jeans’ take on the situation:
His replacement as Managing Director of MyTravelLite is Vanessa Lenssen, who was the Commercial Director of MyTravelLite under Jeans. However, I would say that Jeans is still the figurehead for MyTravelLite, at least in the eyes of the media.
And yes it’s all one AOC. To the paying public MyTravelLite is just a trading name of MyTravel Airways. Internally, MyTravelLite is a separate business unit that ‘buys its flying’ from MyTravel Airways.
stalling attitude: would have thought he more than anyone would know whether or not to take on Ryanair. Maybe he knows something
I am sure Ryanair would prefer that we just bled to death quietly in the background and then pulled out but that simply won’t happen.
We’re even bigger than British Airways in Birmingham... Ryanair’s response was entirely predictable but is not one that will necessarily see us roll over and run off because they will be unable to dislodge us in our home market.
It’s good for a small start-up to be registering on the radar of the biggest and baddest bully in the playground... this is a battle that will be seen out over the next few years rather than months.
We’re even bigger than British Airways in Birmingham... Ryanair’s response was entirely predictable but is not one that will necessarily see us roll over and run off because they will be unable to dislodge us in our home market.
It’s good for a small start-up to be registering on the radar of the biggest and baddest bully in the playground... this is a battle that will be seen out over the next few years rather than months.
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FR and JAR
Do FR have to comply with JAR Ops?
Never did get the answer to that one. Never did understand the buying of a UK AOC.
Good luck MYL, you are gonna need it.
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Never did get the answer to that one. Never did understand the buying of a UK AOC.
Good luck MYL, you are gonna need it.
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