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Now that Liverpool has been named European Capital of Culture for 2008, a city with several airlinks to European capitals, but with no airlink to its own capital. Surely a virbrant city of this size looking forward to an increase of vistors of up to 50%, and all the spin offs that go with this prize, could sustain any airlink with its own capital.Easyjet shifted 200,000+ on the LPL-LTN route, not the best link for world wide travel. I thumb through different timetables and look at some of the one eyed holes that have an airlink with our capital, or the one up the road which has 20+ services a day and think, christ come on someone have bash at this route, give us desent timetable and we will use it.
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Aer Arann has two flights to LTN (GWY and WAT) now... perhaps they could be persuaded to try LPL - only ATRs though! Might seem too much shades of Euroceltic though!
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In the "past", BAW, BMA,and VLM have all had a "Liverpool-London" service, and all have "pulled off" Why?
Possibly 'cos no beggar wants to use it
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Possibly 'cos no beggar wants to use it
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LPL-LGW would be a nice option, onward travel etc, and a link with the city. As for previous links, British Midland had fairly good load factors 70%+ and VLM tried in the darks days of 400,000pax per year. Liverpool Airport has come along way since then, pax forecast for this year 3.5million, so give us a good service and it would be used.
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Jetmagic are a Cork based airline and don't get me wrong, I want them to develop the maximum possible ORK routes... but would ORK-LPL-LCY-ORK be viable with an EMB135? ORK-LPL and ORK-LCY already announced... (LCY pending 135 certification)
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Jetmagic looks like a nice little airline and the Liverpool - Cork route is very welcome, me and mrs mouser have already had a look at the fares and a long weekend is in the pipeline.
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With airlines carrying nearly 900,000 pax to five European cities (Amsterdam, Dublin, Madrid, Paris and Brussels) out of Liverpool in 2002 it makes you wonder as to why there is no Liverpool/London link.
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Errm.... DWLPL - not sure where you're coming from with that statement. Are you suggesting that people might link through Liverpool to get to either London OR to one of those five european cities.......? If so why should they do that when there are direct flights to and from London to each of those destinations?
Perhaps I am missing something....... I did once before in err '77 I think it was.
Perhaps I am missing something....... I did once before in err '77 I think it was.
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What I did not make clear is if airlines serving Liverpool can attract that many passengers to those routes listed, then surely they can make a London link work.
The numbers are there because not all passengers are going point-to point. I suggest that a good few are transferring on to onward connections.
All it needs is Ryanair to offer services to Stansted and easyJet to offer Gatwick.
The numbers are there because not all passengers are going point-to point. I suggest that a good few are transferring on to onward connections.
All it needs is Ryanair to offer services to Stansted and easyJet to offer Gatwick.
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dwlpl,
Sorry, but with a "virtual" hourly service to LHR, LCY, LGW from a "Large Airport" .....less than 30mins down the road from LPL
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Sorry, but with a "virtual" hourly service to LHR, LCY, LGW from a "Large Airport" .....less than 30mins down the road from LPL
No Contest we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy
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According to figures MAN has had a single digit percentage decline in pax throughput every month, so far, of this year while your neighbour along the M62 has had a double digit increase for the same period.
However it does seem strange, notwithstanding MAN 45k away, that a city the size of Liverpool does not have an air link with it's own capital. In fact, I thnk Liverpool is the only major European centre, outside a 250k radius, that does not have a link with it's own capital.
According to figures MAN has had a single digit percentage decline in pax throughput every month, so far, of this year while your neighbour along the M62 has had a double digit increase for the same period.
However it does seem strange, notwithstanding MAN 45k away, that a city the size of Liverpool does not have an air link with it's own capital. In fact, I thnk Liverpool is the only major European centre, outside a 250k radius, that does not have a link with it's own capital.
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According to figures MAN has had a single digit percentage decline in pax throughput every month, so far, of this year while your neighbour along the M62 has had a double digit increase for the same period.
Let me give you an example....
If you have one apple, and I give you one of my apples then you have experienced a 100% increase in apples.
If I started with 100 apples, then I have had a single digit percentage decline in apples.
But I still have 97 more apples that you, don't I?
Liverpool is expanding rapidly through services by "low-cost" operators....and good luck to the place.
But it's still nowhere near as busy as Manchester, has no longhaul flights whatever and cannot support a service to the capital.
If Ryanair or EasyJet thought they could make money on services to Stansted and/or Luton then they'd be running them already, wouldn't they?
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If you look at the passenger figures for the last 5 months available from the CAA ( NOV-MARCH) Manchester to London the passenger figures increase by quite a large percentage
Nov 2001 136643
Nov 2002 170569
Dec 2001 120665
Dec 2002 156047
Jan 2002 127818
Jan 2003 153253
Feb 2002 129077
Feb 2003 147938
Mar 2002 146219
Mar 2003 157767
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Nov 2001 136643
Nov 2002 170569
Dec 2001 120665
Dec 2002 156047
Jan 2002 127818
Jan 2003 153253
Feb 2002 129077
Feb 2003 147938
Mar 2002 146219
Mar 2003 157767
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"The problem with percentage declines and increases depends on where your start"
No argument from this quarter, however a increase, is a increase, is a increase and a decline, is a decline, is a decline, no matter what your starting position is. And although not necessarilly so, an increase for one, usually, heralds the decline for another.
As for Liverpool not having any "long haul" flights, my understanding of that airport is of a "Regional" airport and I believe they have stated that their market strategy is to attract the budget airlines and their customers. I haven't heard of them altering this strategy to targettng Manchester airports "long haul" customers. I think they have found their niche and are filling it very succesfully, dont you?
As for a London connection, it does seem strange that a airport with such a large customer base and catchment area, notwithstanding MAN, cannot sustain a link with the capital.
"The problem with percentage declines and increases depends on where your start"
No argument from this quarter, however a increase, is a increase, is a increase and a decline, is a decline, is a decline, no matter what your starting position is. And although not necessarilly so, an increase for one, usually, heralds the decline for another.
As for Liverpool not having any "long haul" flights, my understanding of that airport is of a "Regional" airport and I believe they have stated that their market strategy is to attract the budget airlines and their customers. I haven't heard of them altering this strategy to targettng Manchester airports "long haul" customers. I think they have found their niche and are filling it very succesfully, dont you?
As for a London connection, it does seem strange that a airport with such a large customer base and catchment area, notwithstanding MAN, cannot sustain a link with the capital.
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As for a London connection, it does seem strange that a airport with such a large customer base and catchment area, notwithstanding MAN, cannot sustain a link with the capital.
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Hmm... well fact is you can't really practically drive or get a train to those european destinations....... History shows that a Liverpool London service doesn't seem to work that well.
Perhaps Keenair will put a Tiger on the service???
Perhaps Keenair will put a Tiger on the service???