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I was rumaging through Ceefax and found a 09.45 flight arriving into Newcastle from Stavanger operated by Wideroe. Since when has this flight operated or is it a charter?
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That would be the scheduled Saturday morning rotation which Wideroe have had in place for about 5/6 weeks now. It arrives and departs about 90 minutes earlier than the Mon - Fri service. I think they introduced the additional day instead of going twice daily Monday - Friday, like they do on a Sunday. Operated with the usual DH3 equipment.
That would be the scheduled Saturday morning rotation which Wideroe have had in place for about 5/6 weeks now. It arrives and departs about 90 minutes earlier than the Mon - Fri service. I think they introduced the additional day instead of going twice daily Monday - Friday, like they do on a Sunday. Operated with the usual DH3 equipment.
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Call it sched:
"Rumour has it that Easy will join Groundstar at NCL within the year." I doubt this will happen. Firstly, despite the fact that Easy are handled by Groundstar at STN, the Easy "boffins" absolutely slated the handling at STN in their recent audit in a variety of areas. Secondly, I don't think that Easy would get the 20 minute turnrounds they're after if they went to Groundstar at NCL, also they wouldn't get any priority handling ahead of the "qualities" like BA and KLM. All sorts of reasons why Groundstar take contracts from Servisair at NCL, mostly due to the fact that Servisair management won't (not can't) compete on price with Groundstar, won't (not can't) acquire any decent ramp equpment, and won't (not can't) treat their staff properly. On the up side, Servisair got the TU154's back this summer!!!!!
"Rumour has it that Easy will join Groundstar at NCL within the year." I doubt this will happen. Firstly, despite the fact that Easy are handled by Groundstar at STN, the Easy "boffins" absolutely slated the handling at STN in their recent audit in a variety of areas. Secondly, I don't think that Easy would get the 20 minute turnrounds they're after if they went to Groundstar at NCL, also they wouldn't get any priority handling ahead of the "qualities" like BA and KLM. All sorts of reasons why Groundstar take contracts from Servisair at NCL, mostly due to the fact that Servisair management won't (not can't) compete on price with Groundstar, won't (not can't) acquire any decent ramp equpment, and won't (not can't) treat their staff properly. On the up side, Servisair got the TU154's back this summer!!!!!
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JKP505 going back to your original post, you mentioned substandaard carriers taking up slots. As far back as I can remember NCL has always had these airlines stationed during the summer months, from the likes of Transwede (!) to Nordic, Seven Air to name but a few. These airlines nearly always work onbehalf of a UK carrier. This summer Hola Airlines will be present.
This is where I start to rant.
They had promised 7 very experienced Cabin Crew jobs at NCL for the summer. Logical when you think the aircraft is flying from the UK to Greece carrying Geordie holidaymakers, so english crew make sense. Yes? Well as of today Hola have told the UK crew, already recruited to get st***ed as they want their own Spanish crew! My point is why should airlines do this? These people are taking up jobs which could easily be filled with experienced local cabin crew.
I now totally agree with your first point. Why does Excel not make a base of NCL, using their own aircraft and send airlines like Hola to LGW or MAN.
Bring back AMM to NCL. Hoorah for TCX basing a second aircraft!!
This is where I start to rant.
They had promised 7 very experienced Cabin Crew jobs at NCL for the summer. Logical when you think the aircraft is flying from the UK to Greece carrying Geordie holidaymakers, so english crew make sense. Yes? Well as of today Hola have told the UK crew, already recruited to get st***ed as they want their own Spanish crew! My point is why should airlines do this? These people are taking up jobs which could easily be filled with experienced local cabin crew.
I now totally agree with your first point. Why does Excel not make a base of NCL, using their own aircraft and send airlines like Hola to LGW or MAN.
Bring back AMM to NCL. Hoorah for TCX basing a second aircraft!!
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These two-bit airlines generally do offer nothing to the traveller but misery, and tour operators who continually use them should be named and shamed.
Last year NCL had a Transjet MD83 based with some delays reaching about 22 hours. Sunways Intersun also had a reasonable presence at NCL, and came to a sour end, but I don't recall TWE being all that bad?
Last year NCL had a Transjet MD83 based with some delays reaching about 22 hours. Sunways Intersun also had a reasonable presence at NCL, and came to a sour end, but I don't recall TWE being all that bad?
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Air 2000
Where are Air 2000 anyway? According to the First Choice and Sunquest brochures, they timetable as follows:
Monday - Corfu and Bodrum; Tue - Heraklion; Wed - Zakynthos and Paphos; Fri - Reus and Dalaman; Sat - Kos; Sun - Monastir and Larnaca.
Besides these, there are a Mahon 'W' on Fri, another Corfu flight on Mondays and another Reus flight on Fridays, though these aren't 'W' flights, they don't fit into the 'timetable'.
So where are Air 2000? If they aren't using NCL this season, are they 2004?
Monday - Corfu and Bodrum; Tue - Heraklion; Wed - Zakynthos and Paphos; Fri - Reus and Dalaman; Sat - Kos; Sun - Monastir and Larnaca.
Besides these, there are a Mahon 'W' on Fri, another Corfu flight on Mondays and another Reus flight on Fridays, though these aren't 'W' flights, they don't fit into the 'timetable'.
So where are Air 2000? If they aren't using NCL this season, are they 2004?
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JKP505 with regards to Transwede back in 1996 the delays they had were horrendous, and believe me I suffered! Some reached over 32 hours. This was a prime example of those 'two-bit' misery airlines, dispatching the crew in taxis all around the country and not to mention the passengers view of things.
As for Air 2000, they closed their NCL operating base two years ago and as far as I gather they have no intention on reopening it for S04. they have contracted TCX with their second based 757 to do much of their work. The only flights they have this year are a Tue night REU and a friday MAH, both W's. Any other flights listed as AMM are either operated by another airline or combined onto another operators.
Lastly, FlyBE are to upgrade their NCL-BHD route to Dash8-400 and also replacing 146 with Dash on the AF CDG service. not sure when it comes into effect though.
As for Air 2000, they closed their NCL operating base two years ago and as far as I gather they have no intention on reopening it for S04. they have contracted TCX with their second based 757 to do much of their work. The only flights they have this year are a Tue night REU and a friday MAH, both W's. Any other flights listed as AMM are either operated by another airline or combined onto another operators.
Lastly, FlyBE are to upgrade their NCL-BHD route to Dash8-400 and also replacing 146 with Dash on the AF CDG service. not sure when it comes into effect though.
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The Flybe CRJ's in Air France colours are G-JECA and CD. There is no CRJ based in Newcastle - this went with the termination of the BRU last year. The CRJ fleet is going at this time and CC is already sitting at EXT in Air Sahara colours.
G-JECA can be most often seen operating the BE429/430 BHD-NCL-BHD, and appears to be BHD based for the most part. If you want to get a last glimpse of her do so now.
The Q400 will undoubtedly have to come onto NCL-BHD anyway, as the classics are going - the date, and which aircraft in the delivery sequence have yet to be announced. NCL based crews need to do the Q400 course.
What was the source regarding the AF NCL-CDG and the Q400?
JKP585 - Most of the First Choice operation as Transwede stated is contracted out and appear as blocks on the likes of TCX and BY. Sunquest flights from NCL will use Onur Air. For a very basic guide to who operates for who, look here, bearing in mind that it is an old issue :
NCL Charter
Transwede! Everyone loves to hate the third party operators, but they do generate interest, as you well know - hope you enjoyed your MD87
G-JECA can be most often seen operating the BE429/430 BHD-NCL-BHD, and appears to be BHD based for the most part. If you want to get a last glimpse of her do so now.
The Q400 will undoubtedly have to come onto NCL-BHD anyway, as the classics are going - the date, and which aircraft in the delivery sequence have yet to be announced. NCL based crews need to do the Q400 course.
What was the source regarding the AF NCL-CDG and the Q400?
JKP585 - Most of the First Choice operation as Transwede stated is contracted out and appear as blocks on the likes of TCX and BY. Sunquest flights from NCL will use Onur Air. For a very basic guide to who operates for who, look here, bearing in mind that it is an old issue :
NCL Charter
Transwede! Everyone loves to hate the third party operators, but they do generate interest, as you well know - hope you enjoyed your MD87
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Does the Dash take as long as the AT7 did when Gill did the CDG route becuase that journey wasnt short of two hours. Against a jet there is no way that people will pay for an even journey which is even more expensive
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I heard the dash 8-400 was to take over the NCL-CDG route from next year, as the 146 aircraft is needed to fly the new locost leisure services from the likes of SOU, EXT and BHX. In addition to which I fear FlyBe may be reacting to the NCL-Paris route by easy! It will be nice to see the -400 in NCL, though it will be passing through this summer on a Salzburg charter, I believe.
And starship I did have fun on the old MD87 with transwede, ah those taxi journeys to god knows where to operate a flight 27 hours late. The pax were, well lovely..........?
It just seems NCL always gets the worst of the third party operators, Nordic, transwede, Seven Air, Transjet! As for this summers naughty one, Hola Airlines, well they have yet to make an appearance, all flights being contracted out so far.......
And starship I did have fun on the old MD87 with transwede, ah those taxi journeys to god knows where to operate a flight 27 hours late. The pax were, well lovely..........?
It just seems NCL always gets the worst of the third party operators, Nordic, transwede, Seven Air, Transjet! As for this summers naughty one, Hola Airlines, well they have yet to make an appearance, all flights being contracted out so far.......
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does anyone else think that FlyBE missed a great opportunity to creat a base at NCL when British Airways left?
Logically FlyBE could have been serving - Belfast, Birmingham, Brussels, Isle of Man, Jersey, Paris and Southampton.
I expected FlyBE to be a substantial operator for Newcastle, it seem like they are getting their nose pushed out a bit.
I think Eastern Airways could turn out to be a big user of NCL, as it will undobtedly expand
Logically FlyBE could have been serving - Belfast, Birmingham, Brussels, Isle of Man, Jersey, Paris and Southampton.
I expected FlyBE to be a substantial operator for Newcastle, it seem like they are getting their nose pushed out a bit.
I think Eastern Airways could turn out to be a big user of NCL, as it will undobtedly expand
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Im taking a guess here, but if Eastern were to expand from NCL, I would think they would increase frequencies on existing routes first before adding any new routes.
Possible new routes could be Cardiff, Norwich and maybe Cork?
Possible new routes could be Cardiff, Norwich and maybe Cork?
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"I did have fun on the old MD87 with transwede, ah those taxi journeys to god knows where to operate a flight 27 hours late. The pax were, well lovely..........? "
Well obviously Swedish Law permitted the employment of young teenagers as cabin crew then, even before they had left school!
Imagine that, all day at school, taxi NCL-BHX operate a night Crete, taxi back home and then off to school again! Those were the days eh? (!)
Of course all this time spent going "to God knows where",(!?) did mean that there were plenty of opportunities to get the homework finished and, become an authority on aviation too!
(Bit like all that time spent "passing through NCL" really!)
Heh..heh...heh....
P.S. Tongue firmly placed in cheek, and still looking forward to that coffee in the BAL crewroom, "my little veteran" ? !
Well obviously Swedish Law permitted the employment of young teenagers as cabin crew then, even before they had left school!
Imagine that, all day at school, taxi NCL-BHX operate a night Crete, taxi back home and then off to school again! Those were the days eh? (!)
Of course all this time spent going "to God knows where",(!?) did mean that there were plenty of opportunities to get the homework finished and, become an authority on aviation too!
(Bit like all that time spent "passing through NCL" really!)
Heh..heh...heh....
P.S. Tongue firmly placed in cheek, and still looking forward to that coffee in the BAL crewroom, "my little veteran" ? !
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it aint you who think it is!!!
Roster Puppet I'd like to thank you for your comments on my age, I am flattered but I think you've got the wrong person!
I'd like to think I was at school back then but sadly I wasn't. I was doing a season for TQ! However to clarify matters I am now based in Lgw for a major charter company in the same role as you are and don't often get back to NCL, though I do still have good friends who still work in the NCL airport community and still think fondly of NCL. Which is why I show so much interest!
Good , glad I've cleared that one up. I hope you find the individual who you were referring to! And i'm sure coffee in the Britannia crew room would be lovely, sadly its a long way from my 737 in LGW!!!!!!!!!!!!
(By the way, if you are accusing individuals, whats the point in having usernames?)
I'd like to think I was at school back then but sadly I wasn't. I was doing a season for TQ! However to clarify matters I am now based in Lgw for a major charter company in the same role as you are and don't often get back to NCL, though I do still have good friends who still work in the NCL airport community and still think fondly of NCL. Which is why I show so much interest!
Good , glad I've cleared that one up. I hope you find the individual who you were referring to! And i'm sure coffee in the Britannia crew room would be lovely, sadly its a long way from my 737 in LGW!!!!!!!!!!!!
(By the way, if you are accusing individuals, whats the point in having usernames?)
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Lets get back on track?
JKP505 not sure I agree with your comments saying that Eastern could be a big user of newcastle. The routes they took on are ex BA routes, I believe and eastern are charging higher fares. Passenger response is not what was hoped for so I think they may just remain with what they have. Unless larger embraers were brought in of course?
However Flybe did miss out on a big opportunity when BA withdrew its regional services from NCL. Look whats happened down in SOU. They are making a good shot of it, shame it could not have been mirrored in NCL! Scheduled domestic routes, together with european leisure destinations.
NCL could do with regular links to the likes of Milan, Jersey, Geneva, South of France, Germany etc... Or do Ryanair have plans in store????
However Flybe did miss out on a big opportunity when BA withdrew its regional services from NCL. Look whats happened down in SOU. They are making a good shot of it, shame it could not have been mirrored in NCL! Scheduled domestic routes, together with european leisure destinations.
NCL could do with regular links to the likes of Milan, Jersey, Geneva, South of France, Germany etc... Or do Ryanair have plans in store????