Air Wales - new routes
And the very best of luck to them. Another one in the eye for all the Ppruners that said it would never get off the ground. London City was the route AW always wanted to operate but because of the high landing costs with an 18 seater it just didn't work, maybe the ATR would.
Surely though they should be carrying passengers between Plymouth and Swansea/Cardiff or even better still why not operate Swansea to Newquay and pick up the BA routes to London?
Surely though they should be carrying passengers between Plymouth and Swansea/Cardiff or even better still why not operate Swansea to Newquay and pick up the BA routes to London?
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Have the London City slots, commence at the end of March 3 trips a day. A lot of businessmen been showing a interest in the service who are fed up with the unrealiable train service.
Should be a good route.
Should be a good route.
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I hope what you say is true, although the problem could well be access. Cardiff airport is a long way from the affluent areas of its city.
Train access is rather swift from the main line station within the City (Close to Cardiff bay) into London.
I would wager that the train will be more expensive, well it needs to be if folk are to travel from Barry to the docks!
I remember well, the business plan for Fly-Europen (BAC1-11's) from Barry to London Whipsnade. It never happened.
Good luck AW, for when the baby WDA funds run out, you could be on your own?
Train access is rather swift from the main line station within the City (Close to Cardiff bay) into London.
I would wager that the train will be more expensive, well it needs to be if folk are to travel from Barry to the docks!
I remember well, the business plan for Fly-Europen (BAC1-11's) from Barry to London Whipsnade. It never happened.
Good luck AW, for when the baby WDA funds run out, you could be on your own?
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I don't think CWL - LCY is a real proposition due to the poor connections between the city and airport. However, my understanding is that the route is designed not to serve Cardiff but Swansea. Now that's a whole different game. The rail links west of Cardiff are patchy and hugely unreliable. A London trip from anywhere west of Swansea is an all day affair. For example I once went Camarthen - London on the train and it took 8 hours !
A service aimed at Swansea and West Wales operated direct from Swansea has a real possibility of success provided the new terminal at Swansea is a really "walk through" affair, keep V. Short check in times and keep the Car Park free ! Then as long as you don't go tech too often an ATR to LCY should get at least 50% load factor. Just have to work out if that's enough to break even.
Good luck to AW I think you've finally found yourselves something that might work.
A service aimed at Swansea and West Wales operated direct from Swansea has a real possibility of success provided the new terminal at Swansea is a really "walk through" affair, keep V. Short check in times and keep the Car Park free ! Then as long as you don't go tech too often an ATR to LCY should get at least 50% load factor. Just have to work out if that's enough to break even.
Good luck to AW I think you've finally found yourselves something that might work.
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The service will start from Swansea with a quick 10 minutes stop at Cardiff to pick up any passengers travelling to London, total time for the journey starting at Swansea is 1 hour and 10 min.
To break-even it needs around 22 bums on the seats.
To break-even it needs around 22 bums on the seats.
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