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Ryanair - additional 737NG order
No comment, just relaying the latest news:
Boeing Wins Ryanair Order for Up to 100 Planes Worth $6 Bln
Dublin, Jan. 31 (Bloomberg) -- Boeing Co., the world's
largest planemaker, won an order from Ryanair Holdings Plc for as
many as 100 jetliners worth $6 billion, giving Boeing a boost to
overcome a drop in demand.
Ryanair, which announced today that it will buy KLM Royal
Dutch Airlines NV's no-frills unit, Buzz, will end up with a fleet
of 250 of Boeing's 737-800 planes, it said in a Regulatory News
Service statement. Last January Ryanair ordered 100 single-aisle
737-800 airplanes with options for 50 more.
The order helps boost production for two years that analysts
expect to be the most difficult for the airline industry every.
Boeing's production fell 27 percent to 381 planes last year from
527 in 2001. Production at the Chicago-based planemaker will drop
a similar percentage to as few as 275 planes this year.
For Ryanair, the additional planes will help it enlarge its
network of routes and base airports, especially at Stansted
airport in London. It will be able to use Boeing 737s to replace
less-efficient BAE 146 planes now in Buzz's fleet. Ryanair has
said it will return the BAE 146 planes to KLM within a year, to be
replaced by 737s.
Boeing Wins Ryanair Order for Up to 100 Planes Worth $6 Bln
Dublin, Jan. 31 (Bloomberg) -- Boeing Co., the world's
largest planemaker, won an order from Ryanair Holdings Plc for as
many as 100 jetliners worth $6 billion, giving Boeing a boost to
overcome a drop in demand.
Ryanair, which announced today that it will buy KLM Royal
Dutch Airlines NV's no-frills unit, Buzz, will end up with a fleet
of 250 of Boeing's 737-800 planes, it said in a Regulatory News
Service statement. Last January Ryanair ordered 100 single-aisle
737-800 airplanes with options for 50 more.
The order helps boost production for two years that analysts
expect to be the most difficult for the airline industry every.
Boeing's production fell 27 percent to 381 planes last year from
527 in 2001. Production at the Chicago-based planemaker will drop
a similar percentage to as few as 275 planes this year.
For Ryanair, the additional planes will help it enlarge its
network of routes and base airports, especially at Stansted
airport in London. It will be able to use Boeing 737s to replace
less-efficient BAE 146 planes now in Buzz's fleet. Ryanair has
said it will return the BAE 146 planes to KLM within a year, to be
replaced by 737s.
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Sad news, especially when you find out from BBC breakfast that you need to get your uniform changed to the blue one. Buzz's strategy would have worked, getting rid of the 146 fleet as they planned would have meant more seats at lower fares as the 737 is so much more economical.
And the punters like to go to the destination as advertised, not 70km away. But no doubt KLM jumped at the chance of £15m to swell the coffers, and Ryanair realising buzz was going to be upping the low cost fare war, jumped at the opportunity to effectively kill of its rival and at £15m its pocket money to Micheal O'Leary.
I myself will not be doing manual check in. Time to see if I can change my Yellow uniform for an Orange one.
RIP Buzz
And the punters like to go to the destination as advertised, not 70km away. But no doubt KLM jumped at the chance of £15m to swell the coffers, and Ryanair realising buzz was going to be upping the low cost fare war, jumped at the opportunity to effectively kill of its rival and at £15m its pocket money to Micheal O'Leary.
I myself will not be doing manual check in. Time to see if I can change my Yellow uniform for an Orange one.
RIP Buzz
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Napoleon,
I hate to be a harbinger of doom, but if you get to keep your final salary pension, t&c's etc. I'll eat my jockey shorts!
The only legislation that will apply is the O'leary law.
I hate to be a harbinger of doom, but if you get to keep your final salary pension, t&c's etc. I'll eat my jockey shorts!
The only legislation that will apply is the O'leary law.
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Napoleon <<All the pilots have a Final Salary Pension Scheme, TUPE requirements will have to be met, Terms and Conditions, Seniority>>:
You'll be working for a non-UK company (Irish) so none of the TUPE conditions will apply - neither will Final Salary obligations or agreements for Present T & C's....Good Luck, I think you're going to need it!
You'll be working for a non-UK company (Irish) so none of the TUPE conditions will apply - neither will Final Salary obligations or agreements for Present T & C's....Good Luck, I think you're going to need it!
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It seems that the Ryanair deal does not include some airport slots.
Reuters state "KLM said the value of the deal to the Dutch group was about 30 million euros -- higher than the 23.9 million euros paid by Ryanair -- because it would also receive valuable airport slots and other items from Ryanair following the sale."
No doubt Ryanair now have a no compete clause at Amsterdam. They probably handed back the slots at FRA, DUS and CDG.
Reuters state "KLM said the value of the deal to the Dutch group was about 30 million euros -- higher than the 23.9 million euros paid by Ryanair -- because it would also receive valuable airport slots and other items from Ryanair following the sale."
No doubt Ryanair now have a no compete clause at Amsterdam. They probably handed back the slots at FRA, DUS and CDG.
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The MOL prediction will come true.
There will be only two left.
FR and the orange one, and FR will put the pressure on every now and then just to show who is in charge of Europe. But who know's orange seems to be losing the plot anyway, so maybe only one will be left, and of coarse Titan picking up the sub charter work in the background.
There will be only two left.
FR and the orange one, and FR will put the pressure on every now and then just to show who is in charge of Europe. But who know's orange seems to be losing the plot anyway, so maybe only one will be left, and of coarse Titan picking up the sub charter work in the background.
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I was with Air Anglia then Air UK and remember the good 'ole days!
That was indeed when Aviation was fun and I was never more proud to be an airline pilot.
Best wishes to all those at Buzz.
RIP
That was indeed when Aviation was fun and I was never more proud to be an airline pilot.
Best wishes to all those at Buzz.
RIP
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First of all they fly where I (and hundreds of others) want to go and don't deposit me on the runway at breakneck speed over 100km from where I want to be. Secondly their staff are friendly towards their "carbon based load statistics" and thirdly they are reasonably priced into the bargain
If Ryanair are supposedly such a bad outfit, why do 1) Passengers continue to return to flying with Ryanair 2) Pilots continue to attempt joining the company 3) Ryanair staff not complain about the allegedly terrible working practises and their supposedly tyrranical boss, O'Leary ??
The tendency to make irrational and ignorant comments on Ryanair threads never ceases here on pprune. That's a real shame.
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Seems KLM wanted shot of it, very sad news for what was once Air UK and a thriving european airline well before the low cost thing started, comparable to Midland - Then came the KLM thing and it all went tits up ....
Its ironic that the cloggs have dumped the whole thing after having chewed up Air UK and spat it back out .....
It puts the stoppers on the KLMuk pilots who had bid to transfer back to a life in the UK with Buzz, under the recent BALPA agreement - KLM must have known about the Ryanair talks whilst this was going on - probably this is an easy way out for them.
What off the Buzz/Transavia tie up, and KLM expanding low cost from Schipol etc ...
My biggest concern is for the Buzz pilots who will no doubt looses their final salary pensions ...... what a mess.
Only good thing is that most Buzz FO's who are relatively high houred will all get 737 commands within 6 months .... but will have to sign a bond if they were 146 with Buzz.
I left Air UK/Buzz/KLMuk 2.5 years ago, had regrets for a long time after .... now just glad to see all this happening from a distance !
Its ironic that the cloggs have dumped the whole thing after having chewed up Air UK and spat it back out .....
It puts the stoppers on the KLMuk pilots who had bid to transfer back to a life in the UK with Buzz, under the recent BALPA agreement - KLM must have known about the Ryanair talks whilst this was going on - probably this is an easy way out for them.
What off the Buzz/Transavia tie up, and KLM expanding low cost from Schipol etc ...
My biggest concern is for the Buzz pilots who will no doubt looses their final salary pensions ...... what a mess.
Only good thing is that most Buzz FO's who are relatively high houred will all get 737 commands within 6 months .... but will have to sign a bond if they were 146 with Buzz.
I left Air UK/Buzz/KLMuk 2.5 years ago, had regrets for a long time after .... now just glad to see all this happening from a distance !
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AJ does seem to have a point that there are constant gripes on PPRuNe about Easy but very few about Ryan Air.
Maybe it wont work out as badly as some seem to think.... but then what do I know, just my opinion.
Maybe it wont work out as badly as some seem to think.... but then what do I know, just my opinion.
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AJ
With Ryanair you work hard but it's 5 On/3 off - finish early - start late - pay is good - very good.
With Easy it's 6 On/3 Off but the 3 can turn into a 2 - that means 7 On/2 Off. The finish on an early, start on a late option doesn't exist.
BALPA's negotiations(??) haven't done a thing to bring this major difference in working conditions into line with what the Ryans offer.
You want time off with the family - Ryans.
You want an early grave - Easy.
With Ryanair you work hard but it's 5 On/3 off - finish early - start late - pay is good - very good.
With Easy it's 6 On/3 Off but the 3 can turn into a 2 - that means 7 On/2 Off. The finish on an early, start on a late option doesn't exist.
BALPA's negotiations(??) haven't done a thing to bring this major difference in working conditions into line with what the Ryans offer.
You want time off with the family - Ryans.
You want an early grave - Easy.
"Mildly" Eccentric Stardriver
Thanks for the condolences, but the "corpse" isn't dead yet. Read the Ryan press release, there is no mention of killing off the buzz brand. On the contrary, they plan to turn buzz round within a year, whence it will make a contribution to the Ryanair group. Could be that the future (for the time being) is still yellow. It will just be with an Irish accent, which may prove to be better than "isht not poshible".
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Just what is happening to our industry, first Go now Buzz who next, sorry there is no more! Now its time for a straight head to head fight between the big two and just who will survive at STN, only time will tell. It is sad to see what was effectively Air Uk disappear today, my thoughts are with my old comrades there I hope Mr O'Leary has a soft spot for you all!
AirUK RIP
AirUK RIP
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I doubt MOL has a soft spot for anybody - perhaps not even himself
Maybe BUZZ didn't really cost him that much at all - the taxes and charges retained from 'no show pax' allegedly equates to approximately the same sort of money that was paid for BUZZ
Maybe BUZZ didn't really cost him that much at all - the taxes and charges retained from 'no show pax' allegedly equates to approximately the same sort of money that was paid for BUZZ