Norwich

[jmdavies86]

Originally Posted by Markushillman

Certainly no disaster on any of those with decent bookings for a new airline and new routes for the airport. I'd probably say if this was a years time these would be closer to the fully booked mark as word of mouth and people realise that Ryanair are at NWI.

Have they [NWI] scrapped their Airport Development Fee yet, or have Ryanair managed to get such a good deal that it's no longer considered to be an issue for them as they used to withdraw from airports that implemented such fees...?!

[ara01jbb]

Originally Posted by jmdavies86

Have they [NWI] scrapped their Airport Development Fee yet, or have Ryanair managed to get such a good deal that it's no longer considered to be an issue for them as they used to withdraw from airports that implemented such fees...?!

FR probaby don't mind an ADF like Norwich's, because it has to be paid by the passenger before being allowed through security. Doesn't have to get bundled into the fare FR advertise online.

[MidlandsWanderer]

Originally Posted by jmdavies86

Have they [NWI] scrapped their Airport Development Fee yet, or have Ryanair managed to get such a good deal that it's no longer considered to be an issue for them as they used to withdraw from airports that implemented such fees...?!

Nope. Still listed under their airport charges for at least the next 2 years https://www.norwichairport.co.uk/air...velopment-fee/

[Markushillman]

Originally Posted by jmdavies86

Have they [NWI] scrapped their Airport Development Fee yet, or have Ryanair managed to get such a good deal that it's no longer considered to be an issue for them as they used to withdraw from airports that implemented such fees...?!

From what I have been told the deal was so good that it made the ADF irrelevant for Ryanair. Or in other words Norwich said have whatever you want, in which Ryanair duly did. (Some of the money earnt from the ADF was used for the Ryanair deal) Plus Ryanair have also developed a very good relationship with NWI's owner the Regional and City Airports group/Rigby Group which also owns Bournemouth and Exeter which Ryanair has a presence, especially Bournemouth that's a base.


Of course the additonal 50 or 60ish thousand or so passengers Ryanair expects to bring in adds another £4 to 500,000 in revenue for the airport through the ADF which can then (as their website states) is used to maintain and develop new routes. So Ryanair might now see it as a win win if they keep getting a sweet deal because of it.

[jmdavies86]

Originally Posted by ara01jbb

FR probaby don't mind an ADF like Norwich's, because it has to be paid by the passenger before being allowed through security. Doesn't have to get bundled into the fare FR advertise online.

I don't think that's true - they're renowned for withdrawing from airports that have ADFs in place.

Originally Posted by Markushillman

From what I have been told the deal was so good that it made the ADF irrelevant for Ryanair. Or in other words Norwich said have whatever you want, in which Ryanair duly did. (Some of the money earnt from the ADF was used for the Ryanair deal) Plus Ryanair have also developed a very good relationship with NWI's owner the Regional and City Airports group/Rigby Group which also owns Bournemouth and Exeter which Ryanair has a presence, especially Bournemouth that's a base.

Yes, I understand that they have a good relationship with RCA, however both Bournemouth and Exeter have scrapped their ADFs. So, as you say, the deal must have been so good that Ryanair doesn't consider it to be an issue, however it could well be a factor at the time when the agreement comes up for renewal.

[MARKEYD]

Originally Posted by jmdavies86

I don't think that's true - they're renowned for withdrawing from airports that have ADFs in place.



Yes, I understand that they have a good relationship with RCA, however both Bournemouth and Exeter have scrapped their ADFs. So, as you say, the deal must have been so good that Ryanair doesn't consider it to be an issue, however it could well be a factor at the time when the agreement comes up for renewal.

Just as a point
Both Bournemouth and Exeter never had a ADF it was only Norwich

[tommynwi]

TUI 2025

A slight change in the S25 TUI schedule.

Paphos. Changed from Thursday to Wednesday.
Rhodes. Changed from Wednesday to Thursday.
Mahon. Changed from Wednesday to Thursday.
Dalaman. Friday departure changed to other carrier.

This now leaves a Friday afternoon departure vacant for the based 737.

[Markushillman]

Originally Posted by tommynwi

A slight change in the S25 TUI schedule.

Paphos. Changed from Thursday to Wednesday.
Rhodes. Changed from Wednesday to Thursday.
Mahon. Changed from Wednesday to Thursday.
Dalaman. Friday departure changed to other carrier.

This now leaves a Friday afternoon departure vacant for the based 737.

Thanks Tommy, perhaps finally we might get a new route after many years of the same thing.

[tommynwi]

Originally Posted by Markushillman

Thanks Tommy, perhaps finally we might get a new route after many years of the same thing.

I agree, it would be good to see something new from TUI.
On a side note, thanks for the Ryanair updates, enjoy reading your regular updates. All looking a bit more positive for the airport for the first time in a while.

[Markushillman]

Originally Posted by tommynwi

I agree, it would be good to see something new from TUI.
On a side note, thanks for the Ryanair updates, enjoy reading your regular updates. All looking a bit more positive for the airport for the first time in a while.

No problem I know there aren't many of us interested in this forgotten about airport in Norfolk, but I know there are still a few of us. Certainly doesn't get the attention certain other airports do on this forum despite it been busier

On a side note on the Ryanair flights.

First flights out on launch day April 1st have load factors now of;

Alicante - 94%
Malta - 91%
Faro - 96%

Even though I know its Easter so booking should be high, Pretty impressive considering new airline/new routes launch

[colinhunn]

In the event of heavily delayed flights, I wonder if RYR will accept diversions to the likes of Birmingham or will they expect the airport to remain open into the small hours?

[MidlandsWanderer]

Originally Posted by colinhunn

In the event of heavily delayed flights, I wonder if RYR will accept diversions to the likes of Birmingham or will they expect the airport to remain open into the small hours?

It's not Ryanairs choice.

[MidlandsWanderer]

Originally Posted by Markushillman

No problem I know there aren't many of us interested in this forgotten about airport in Norfolk, but I know there are still a few of us. Certainly doesn't get the attention certain other airports do on this forum despite it been busier

On a side note on the Ryanair flights.

First flights out on launch day April 1st have load factors now of;

Alicante - 94%
Malta - 91%
Faro - 96%

Even though I know its Easter so booking should be high, Pretty impressive considering new airline/new routes launch

They just want full flights to start with so are giving them away. NWI-ALC £220 / STN-ALC £330 (similar morning flights for both). Not exactly rocket science.

[Markushillman]

Originally Posted by MidlandsWanderer

They just want full flights to start with so are giving them away. NWI-ALC £220 / STN-ALC £330 (similar morning flights for both). Not exactly rocket science.

arent you a delight . Considering the majority of the time since they launched on 6th December the NWI-ALC prices have consistently been at around £150-£220 from NWI for April 1st whilst the STN has been as low as £60 then we can see the yield at NWI is much higher for said route for that day and time than Stansted. Not exactly rocket science! And BTW the flight you mention are £233 from NWI and £248 from STN hardly much difference and hardly giving them away, £60 yes, £200 no.

But I think the main point rather went over your head.

[Markushillman]

Originally Posted by tommynwi

A slight change in the S25 TUI schedule.

Paphos. Changed from Thursday to Wednesday.
Rhodes. Changed from Wednesday to Thursday.
Mahon. Changed from Wednesday to Thursday.
Dalaman. Friday departure changed to other carrier.

This now leaves a Friday afternoon departure vacant for the based 737.

TUI have also reduced Palma to 2x weekly for 2025 removing the Friday departure.

This is possibly in expectation that if rumours are true RYR will launch Palma at 2x weekly to "compliment" TUI at 2x weekly. Leading to 4x weekly flights in total for Summer 2025 to Mallorca

and of course still the Friday afternoon to fill for TUI in 2025 now which could be Tunisia

Freebird expected to operate the Dalaman on Fridays for 2025 also.

[MARKEYD]

TUI are having a “ work in progress “ with their S25 schedule with a lot of changes being put in place at a lot of UK airports at the moment
A lot of flights being moved to completely different days and times

I believe there summer 25 is released in more detail around mid April with new routes

[Markushillman]

Originally Posted by MARKEYD

TUI are having a “ work in progress “ with their S25 schedule with a lot of changes being put in place at a lot of UK airports at the moment
A lot of flights being moved to completely different days and times

I believe there summer 25 is released in more detail around mid April with new routes

Thank you MARKEYD great info, shall keep an eye out for anything new that might fill the gap in the NWI schedule then. Thanks again

[Markushillman]

TUI have finished their adjustments for Summer 2025 at NWI, unfortunately it's the same as it has been for the last god knows how many years. With Palma being added in the afternoon gap on Friday using the based B738, so back to 3x weekly without the need to use Albastar who have recieved bad press recently in the lcoal paper. Still a strong possibly RYR might join in on Palma like they have at EXT at some point.

TUI Summer 2025 1x based 738

Corfu 1x weekly Fri
Dalaman 2x weekly Mon and Fri (Friday op by Freebird)
Heraklion 1x weekly Tue
Ibiza 1x weekly Sat
Menorca 2x weekly Thur and Sun
Palma de Mallorca 3x weekly Tue, Fri and Sat
Paphos 1x weekly Wed
Rhodes 1x weekly Thur
Tenerife 1x weekly Sun

Still would be nice to see Antalya added which they did before Covid stopped it before it started.

Shouldn't really complain as I know a few airports that would bite your arm off to have a based 738 operating a TUI summer program.

[pamann]

Originally Posted by Markushillman

TUI have finished their adjustments for Summer 2025 at NWI, unfortunately it's the same as it has been for the last god knows how many years. With Palma being added in the afternoon gap on Friday using the based B738, so back to 3x weekly without the need to use Albastar who have recieved bad press recently in the lcoal paper. Still a strong possibly RYR might join in on Palma like they have at EXT at some point.

TUI Summer 2025 1x based 738

Corfu 1x weekly Fri
Dalaman 2x weekly Mon and Fri (Friday op by Freebird)
Heraklion 1x weekly Tue
Ibiza 1x weekly Sat
Menorca 2x weekly Thur and Sun
Palma de Mallorca 3x weekly Tue, Fri and Sat
Paphos 1x weekly Wed
Rhodes 1x weekly Thur
Tenerife 1x weekly Sun

Still would be nice to see Antalya added which they did before Covid stopped it before it started.

Shouldn't really complain as I know a few airports that would bite your arm off to have a based 738 operating a TUI summer program.

Antalya would be an easy addition using a Turkish based carrier. I don’t believe Tui have officially released summer 2025 just yet? It normally happens with much fanfare around April.

[Markushillman]

Originally Posted by pamann

Antalya would be an easy addition using a Turkish based carrier. I don’t believe Tui have officially released summer 2025 just yet? It normally happens with much fanfare around April.

No they havent yet but seem to have sorted the based frames flying. However like you say Antalya would be easy to add, so fingers crossed 🤞