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Old 16th Jul 2023, 06:07
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Currently getting a lot of coverage on Sky News
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Old 16th Jul 2023, 07:24
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"But Global – whose emergence onto the transatlantic scene was first reported in City A.M. – believes that offering a more premium product, as well as perks and a loyalty programme, rather than prioritising flight frequency, will be the key to success. “I think that there’s too many offerings at the moment that don’t give the level of service that such a premium route such as London to New York should do for the corporate traveller, the business traveller as well,” he said. “I think that too many incumbents still think it’s [about] frequency.”

Asquith also said that it hopes to offer more “social space” on its aircrafts, in a bid to appeal to the City’s corporate customers. “If I’m coming out of the office and going on a red eye flight to connect between the two, personally, one day I might want to go straight to sleep, the next I might want to have a meal and do some work on my laptop… And then another one, I might want to go and socialise,” he said.

The airline is set to launch its first flight in 2024, flying between London and New York, with an eye on a route to Los Angeles after that."

got to give him marks for getting the publicity - but
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Old 16th Jul 2023, 07:43
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Glad to see Sky also reporting a healthy amount of scepticism from Simon Calder and others.
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Old 16th Jul 2023, 09:50
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Does anyone remember La Compagnie, a French-based outfit, that for a while operated between LTN and EWR? This was a 757 with lie-back seats 2x2 in an all-C config, with female cabin staff in hot pants (ca 2015). They also briefly operated a similar service to DXB. The aircraft had 74 seats, but on most occasions, I doubt if more than 50% of them were filled. They still exist, but only operate from Paris these days and have an interline agreement with easyJet, which is surely one of the biggest extremes in the business.
Their route from Luton did not last long, despite the inducements, including the fact that it was competitively priced.
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There is nothing wrong with using a £100 company to start a small business, it is how most small businesses start and there is nothing wrong with ambition. But to start an airline, that’s a joke. Let’s say £2m. to get an AOC and another £100m. to get an OL plus the cost of the aircraft. I don’t know how you buy an A380 using a £100 dormant company. Until he shows a balance sheet with several hundred million available this is a waste of time and all of the media interest is misguided unless they are hoping to build a story for when it all comes crashing down.
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Old 16th Jul 2023, 11:22
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The problem starts whenever all these modern day one hit wonders get enough naive coverage and five minute internet fame to lure innocent investors to give them money with no chance to ever see it again. This is where I see some responsibility of the people reporting about it to not just vent hot air claims.
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Old 16th Jul 2023, 11:40
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It’s lazy journalism, not bothering to do any sort of hard questioning into the difficulty of starting an airline and the validity of this particular project. The only balance was saying that the idea was being questioned by aviation experts. Any student of airline economics could probably tell you why this idea can’t work even if it was properly funded. There are very good reasons why those a380s are sitting around unwanted.
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Old 16th Jul 2023, 11:50
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The way I see it they picked the A380 only to grab the headlines for cheap (surprisingly at least this worked). The A380 makes zero business sense to them except to lure investors into whatever they have in mind.
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Old 16th Jul 2023, 12:10
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Originally Posted by barry lloyd
Does anyone remember La Compagnie, a French-based outfit, that for a while operated between LTN and EWR? This was a 757 with lie-back seats 2x2 in an all-C config, with female cabin staff in hot pants (ca 2015). They also briefly operated a similar service to DXB. The aircraft had 74 seats, but on most occasions, I doubt if more than 50% of them were filled. They still exist, but only operate from Paris these days and have an interline agreement with easyJet, which is surely one of the biggest extremes in the business.
Their route from Luton did not last long, despite the inducements, including the fact that it was competitively priced.
I believe it was Silverjet that started the DXB route (as well as their LTN-EWR route). I flew it back in 2008. It was very good - but was never going to last long.
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Old 16th Jul 2023, 12:15
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Originally Posted by rkenyon
I believe it was Silverjet that started the DXB route (as well as their LTN-EWR route). I flew it back in 2008. It was very good - but was never going to last long.
There was Silverjet…and there was another one too. I can’t remember the name.
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Old 16th Jul 2023, 12:34
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MaxJet?
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Old 16th Jul 2023, 12:35
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That’s it, and I think there was EOS…but I’m not sure. just checked…yes there was EOS.
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Originally Posted by rkenyon
I believe it was Silverjet that started the DXB route (as well as their LTN-EWR route). I flew it back in 2008. It was very good - but was never going to last long.
Yes, Silverjet started the LTN-EWR route in 2006 and lasted until 2008. La Compagnie started the route in April 2015. It lasted until September 2016. La Compagnie is still operating, but not into the UK.
From Wiki: (my bold) In March 2020, La Compagnie announced it would suspend its commercial operations as of the 18th of that month due to the COVID-19 pandemic. Commercial operations were initially expected to resume on 1 June 2020, but were subsequently postponed several times.[17] During the suspensions, the airline received a total of €20 million in governmental loans, provided some ad-hoc charter services, and operated a limited number of flights for the December 2020 holiday season.
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Old 16th Jul 2023, 12:56
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Sky did an interview with James Asquith this morning. Here is an account:

Interview with James Asquith
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Old 16th Jul 2023, 13:13
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Originally Posted by runway30
There is nothing wrong with using a £100 company to start a small business, it is how most small businesses start and there is nothing wrong with ambition. But to start an airline, that’s a joke. Let’s say £2m. to get an AOC and another £100m. to get an OL plus the cost of the aircraft. I don’t know how you buy an A380 using a £100 dormant company. Until he shows a balance sheet with several hundred million available this is a waste of time and all of the media interest is misguided unless they are hoping to build a story for when it all comes crashing down.
Agree. There's nothing wrong with ambition. But it's misleading to tell the media, public, and potential investors that the airline will start to operate scheduled in spring 2024. If anyone at Global understands the process, they must know that is not possible. Whereas if there's absolutely nobody there that understand the process, that's arguably more worrying.
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Old 16th Jul 2023, 13:41
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yeah but even Flight publishes all sorts of stories about people building eco taxi aircraft that will be certified in 2024 and be in world wide service by 2025.

Guess they have ot fill the pages somehow
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Old 16th Jul 2023, 16:01
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Sky did an interview with James Asquith this morning. Here is an account:

Interview with James Asquith
Not exactly in depth, was it?
Is that photo of JA standing by the 380 genuine? It looks a hit photoshoppy.
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Old 16th Jul 2023, 17:09
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Doubt they 'd be so silly - anyway the Sky team would want the trip................
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Old 16th Jul 2023, 22:48
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The reason that frequency is important is simple. 1. I might be able to get home quicker and have done that in the past. Equally, I can catch a later one. 2. If the aircraft goes tech or a member of the flight crew, goes ill - you don't have to wait 24 hours.

How many more lessons from Biz Travel 1.01 does he need?

Of course, he might be drawing salary for as long as it takes for this to play out.

Having now read the article, the other obvious mistake is to think that offering more space is going to do the trick. On the C class long haul sectors that I have taken since Covid, everyone goes to sleep. VS have reduced their play spaces. When we were last on VS, we were the only ones at the bar because we were on holiday.
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Old 17th Jul 2023, 07:58
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Agreed - when you do find a "Leisure space" its got a coupleof hardened drinkers in it who'll bore you to death. As pax says on many long haul flights half the SLF in Business have a meal and then go to bed
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