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But Rog we have had a few interactions over the years with some interesting post's but for the first time ever on pprune I'm going to admit to something.
I have never worked in the aviation industry in my entire life, it's always been of interest to me since my schoolboy days plane spotting.
On the other hand I will be celebrating 41 years in the Cruise & Ferry industry in September having joined Cunard Line in September 1983. Regarding a previous post where I stated that I wear my Cunard White Star badge with pride.
I have never worked in the aviation industry in my entire life, it's always been of interest to me since my schoolboy days plane spotting.
On the other hand I will be celebrating 41 years in the Cruise & Ferry industry in September having joined Cunard Line in September 1983. Regarding a previous post where I stated that I wear my Cunard White Star badge with pride.
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I'm not aware of any B737-800 performance restrictions at HUY. B737-800's have operated as far as Turkiye(Turkey) and Cyprus in the past on a regular basis - and still do occasionally to Antalya, thanks to the owner of Hull City. At one point, Excel were planning HUY-SSH with a B737-800 as well
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If it were not for the opening of DSA, I suspect TUI would likely have a small seasonal base at HUY - Thinking on a similar scale to the Norwich operation they have today - however the recession in the late 00s lead to consolidation of the market and operators centrallising to larger bases, mean that TUI, and other operators seem to steer clear from Humberside, instead choosing EMA, LBA and DSA - sensible really considering their closer to larger population bases. Certainly there is a big under served market in the Humber region with the closure of DSA, and the uncertainty of where that will end up in the future, as an airport or otherwise - however HUY is, as far as I know, still profitable with low passenger numbers. I suspect someone has done the sums and worked out that the cost of investment in opening longer hours and handling increased volumes of passengers don't make economic sense - to handle a B738 base would need double the number of staff presumably, to handle both a 6-7am departure to the med, alongside the Amsterdam departure. Of course, we don't know if TUI, or any other operators have approached HUY or shown any interest, but I suspect HUY are reluctant to invest in expanding operational hours if someone will just pack up and leave if DSA re-opens
TUI are doubling their weekly Palma from 2025 to operate twice weekly, which is great news - but considering this years offering seemed to sell out quite far in advance - certainly May departures seemed to be fully booked back in January. Most dates in September are currently fully booked, which suggests pent up demand to me. Until the question mark over the future of DSA is settled, the best we could hope for would be another couple of W patterns, that fit neatly between the other handful of departures through the day, and don't require significant additional staffing/opening times.
TUI are doubling their weekly Palma from 2025 to operate twice weekly, which is great news - but considering this years offering seemed to sell out quite far in advance - certainly May departures seemed to be fully booked back in January. Most dates in September are currently fully booked, which suggests pent up demand to me. Until the question mark over the future of DSA is settled, the best we could hope for would be another couple of W patterns, that fit neatly between the other handful of departures through the day, and don't require significant additional staffing/opening times.
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Does anyone know why TUI haven’t extend the lease of G-TUID? the leasing company currently shows it able for operating leasing or sale from the 1st October 2025
Are the leasing company trying to force TUI into a commitment they are not yet prepared to commit to?
Furthermore, can anyone point me in the direction of conclusive evidence as to the status of the proposed acquisition of G-TUIP? Has its acquisition been cancelled as is widely speculated? It's been at San Antonio since 26 Oct 22 and not moved since.
Has this a/c been deemed to be not to fit to enter service, or did TUI have second thoughts? I await a knowledgably answer from those in the know.
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Following the closure of DSA I expected to see more in HUY from TOM. They now do pretty much a daily flight from LBA with purely W patterns serving PMI, CFU, DBV and DLM on Freebird. That's the kind of traffic I'd expected HUY to pick up with maybe also IBZ and winter seasonal to TFS. There's definitely enough of a local demand from the Humber region for an offering such as that and again would fit nicely around HUY's existing pax operation presumably without too much further investment.
As for LBA I didn't think maybe a 2 aircraft base would've been out of the question, with them maybe serving the bulk of W's to HUY, but I guess Jet2 in LBA is simply too much for TOM to bear with a based operation. Instead they consolidated at EMA having grown from three to six based following the DSA closure so they'll be tapping into that North Lincs/Humber region largely with EMA.
As for LBA I didn't think maybe a 2 aircraft base would've been out of the question, with them maybe serving the bulk of W's to HUY, but I guess Jet2 in LBA is simply too much for TOM to bear with a based operation. Instead they consolidated at EMA having grown from three to six based following the DSA closure so they'll be tapping into that North Lincs/Humber region largely with EMA.
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Great statement
Following the closure of DSA I expected to see more in HUY from TOM. They now do pretty much a daily flight from LBA with purely W patterns serving PMI, CFU, DBV and DLM on Freebird. That's the kind of traffic I'd expected HUY to pick up with maybe also IBZ and winter seasonal to TFS. There's definitely enough of a local demand from the Humber region for an offering such as that and again would fit nicely around HUY's existing pax operation presumably without too much further investment.
As for LBA I didn't think maybe a 2 aircraft base would've been out of the question, with them maybe serving the bulk of W's to HUY, but I guess Jet2 in LBA is simply too much for TOM to bear with a based operation. Instead they consolidated at EMA having grown from three to six based following the DSA closure so they'll be tapping into that North Lincs/Humber region largely with EMA.
As for LBA I didn't think maybe a 2 aircraft base would've been out of the question, with them maybe serving the bulk of W's to HUY, but I guess Jet2 in LBA is simply too much for TOM to bear with a based operation. Instead they consolidated at EMA having grown from three to six based following the DSA closure so they'll be tapping into that North Lincs/Humber region largely with EMA.
See if they were to operate 2 aircraft base it would be only be European flights.
summer it would be :
paphos
tenerife
Ibiza
majorca
lanzarote
corfu
winter:
Toulouse
Gran Canaria
kittila
Fuerteventura
grenoble
tenerife
I'm not aware of any B737-800 performance restrictions at HUY.
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The XL 738 had payload limitations on longer routes from HUY blocking off between 20 and 25 seats per flight. That was long before recent changes to take-off and landing performance calculations which have made limits worse. I doubt you will see anyone flying 737s on longer legs from HUY.
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And the NWI to Paphos runs at 189 seats, no blocking off. So really don't think Humberside runway is an issue, in fact it's rather long compared to some others
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If things have changed, maybe a moot point, but I've just rechecked some old August 2006 CAA Passenger Numbers:
HUY-Bodrum, flown by Pegasus weekly (Monday) on a B737-800 - 1461/182.625 passengers per flight (assuming 189 seat config, 6.375 unused seats per flight) (4 Mondays in Aug 2006)
HUY-Paphos, flown by Excel weekly (Wednesday) on a B737-800 - 1726/172.6 passengers per flight (assuming 189 seat config, 16.4 unused seats per flight) (5 Wednesdays in Aug 2006)
More recently:
In March this year, Corendon did HUY-AYT and back with a B737-800. CAA Stats give a total of 339 passengers on HUY-AYT in March. That would be approx 170 passengers departing HUY/19 unused seats
In November 2022 there were two AYT departures on Corendon, totaling 352 between them, or an average of 176 per flight/13 unused seats
Are these obstacle limits very new? Do cooler seasonal temperatures allow longer less restricted flights (noting my more recent examples are not from the Summer months)? Do different operators have their own limitations? Just that these stats don't support there being performance limitations as great as 20-25 seats per flight being blocked off on longer sectors
HUY-Bodrum, flown by Pegasus weekly (Monday) on a B737-800 - 1461/182.625 passengers per flight (assuming 189 seat config, 6.375 unused seats per flight) (4 Mondays in Aug 2006)
HUY-Paphos, flown by Excel weekly (Wednesday) on a B737-800 - 1726/172.6 passengers per flight (assuming 189 seat config, 16.4 unused seats per flight) (5 Wednesdays in Aug 2006)
More recently:
In March this year, Corendon did HUY-AYT and back with a B737-800. CAA Stats give a total of 339 passengers on HUY-AYT in March. That would be approx 170 passengers departing HUY/19 unused seats
In November 2022 there were two AYT departures on Corendon, totaling 352 between them, or an average of 176 per flight/13 unused seats
Are these obstacle limits very new? Do cooler seasonal temperatures allow longer less restricted flights (noting my more recent examples are not from the Summer months)? Do different operators have their own limitations? Just that these stats don't support there being performance limitations as great as 20-25 seats per flight being blocked off on longer sectors
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It’s only limiting going off one way. Nothing to stop you selling the aircraft to full capacity and if conditions on the day rule that out, offloading at that point. Not ideal though and most airlines would assess that carefully.
Air temperature and wind speed will all have a bearing. Worst case would be a hot day with an 5-10kt wind - rules out using the other runway with nil wind or a very small tailwind but not enough to give you a decent lift.
Air temperature and wind speed will all have a bearing. Worst case would be a hot day with an 5-10kt wind - rules out using the other runway with nil wind or a very small tailwind but not enough to give you a decent lift.
