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Old 15th Dec 2020, 17:40
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The usual definition of foreign ownership is whether non-UK persons or entities own 50%+1 of the shares.
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Old 15th Dec 2020, 17:51
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Aer Lingus is just a brand-name within IAG, similar to British Airways, Iberia and Vueling. Ownership isn't the key driver here. Aer Lingus aircraft are better-suited to the MAN Transatlantic routes than those in the British Airways fleet. New A321LR's are available for JFK and BOS, and the A333's have a cabin layout which is well-suited to a leisure-heavy route ... expected to be used on MAN-MCO.
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Old 15th Dec 2020, 17:53
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Again what is this vast list of UK based companies with the expertise to take on Delta/Virgin long haul from the regions even if we expand the coverage ?

BA not happening (See IAG and Aer Lingus UK brand)

With TCX and Monarch gone, that just leaves Tui and they already compete into Florida, Mexico, and the Caribbean however the North East seaboard scheduled service market is not in their DNA.

While Jet2 have operated odd Christmas charters to New York (this season cancelled for obvious reasons) longer programmes seem pretty distant to be honest.

The shrinkage of UK carriers over the last 18 months has removed significant deadwood imho.

As for Easyjet although they have A32xNG frames that could just about cross to the Eastern Seaboard again why would they if same aircraft can complete 4 shorter rotations in the same time period - simple economics

Finally the only other carrier I suppose would be Norwegian UK - however close to bust, aircraft grounded all over the place and new 787s returned to lessors while the Max issues well and truly devastated their erstwhile regional long haul proposals .

BTW they use/used contract labour much from third countries paid gross in Euros via middle man recruiting agencies in Eire and South East Asia - Nothing into our exchequer as they have made consistent losses so no corporate taxes either .
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Old 15th Dec 2020, 19:03
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I would imagine the Americans will be very interested in ownership, and will look to use any requests for exemptions to their advantage.
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Old 16th Dec 2020, 07:53
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The EU-US OPENSKY treaty has already set significant precedent in these markets including ownership and cross border operations and other than bone headed Tory Brexiteer mentality their is nothing preventing continued participation as an annex just like Norway and Switzerland,
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Old 16th Dec 2020, 08:32
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Hasn't a US-UK agreement just been signed?
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Old 16th Dec 2020, 12:05
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I can assure you that with 35% UK tax versus 50% plus Irish there will be no trouble whatsoever with EI flight deck paying Her Majestys exchequer for the pleasure of spending 183 days tax resident
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Old 21st Dec 2020, 09:23
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Being suggested elsewhere (and also carried by Jethros) that the two A330's being transferred to EIUK are EI-ELA and EDY, both 300's.

FWIW, LA is currenty titled St Patrick / Pádraig (transferred from EI-DUB and before that EI-ASI), the frame carrying the name of the Irish partron saint is generally considered the fleet flagship, but he (or at least one of the people the stories about him relate to) was probobally from Britian anyway, so something of a home coming!
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Old 21st Dec 2020, 09:30
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It puzzles me that the St Patrick aircraft is the flagship, yet aircraft names / reg are generally not publicised much to pax
Does Aer Lingus make any sort of effort to acknowledge this aircraft as having special significance in a way that ordinary non-spotter pax might notice while travelling ?
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Old 21st Dec 2020, 11:13
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It’s just tradition at this point but did have at least some significance in the past, particularly in the media who would refer to aircraft involved in newsworthy events by their individual names.

Aer Lingus does still follow the tradition of naming their perceived flagship Patrick/Pádraig from the first Lockheed Constellation to the first 720, 747 and its eventual replacement A330 in the 90s and again the latest A330 replacement.

Like with any airline, the so called flagship is more of an internal label stemming from the heritage and history of the airline rather than something passengers should take note of.
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Old 21st Dec 2020, 11:24
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The name of each aircraft is painted below the pilot windows, in Irish/'as gaeilge' on the right side and 'as béarla'/in English on the left
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 00:58
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There was the story, true or otherwise, that the simulator was named after the most obscure Irish saint of then all..."St Thetic".
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 07:10
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Still waiting for Pat Thetic......sorry
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 08:05
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Absolutely true.
We used the Aer Lingus 737 sim in Dublin when I joined Orion. All their sims were named St.Thetic.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 08:08
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Their 707 simulator certainly was, but that is going back a little way!
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 09:07
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With the way that the Covid pandemic is progress at present, I think if I were IAG I'd delay the start of Aer Lingus UK services by 12 months.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 10:06
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I think the Home Office and DfT might be getting a little concerned particularly when the Government is promising to do all it can to help those out of work (2000UK pilots on the dole and counting) and yet this arrangement would undercut the UK job market and allow foreign carriers to bring in their own crews. Hardly taking back control and putting an end to freedom of movement.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 10:24
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I don't believe they can do diddly squat about it, as the Irish have so many rights with regard to UK, such as free movement, common travel and voting in our elections. I am actually surprised that the EU hasn't thrown this anomaly into the Brexit mix, but I guess as they've lived with it for 50 odd years there's not many grounds for doing so.
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 10:37
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Employment maybe, but what about licences?
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Old 22nd Dec 2020, 10:43
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Interesting, hadn't thought about that. The UK having left EASA, I suppose pilots will have to get a CAA licence. How big a deal would that be I wonder?
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