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There is some debate on the Luton thread about Wizzair being very slow to comply with CCJs for EU261 non-compliance
As Wizz fly from multiple UK airports rather than just Luton, I'm posting on the Wizz thread
How difficult would it be for an ordinary passenger with a friendly (non-aviation-specialist) lawyer who has gained a CCJ to arrest an aircraft in the UK that is operated by a Wizz group airline to enforce payment of the CCJ and costs ? Would the passenger recover High Court, lawyer and bailiff costs ? Are Wizz UK aircraft owned by Wizz UK or are they all leased and the property of other companies ? Do Wizz Hungary have any substantial assets in the UK which a bailiff could seize, and would a court bailiff have access, or would airport security prevent access ? Is airport management duty bound to allow the arrest of the aircraft, or can they close ranks and prevent access to the aircraft until it's departed the airport ? Are tickets with Wizz that involve flying on Wizz UK aircraft enforceable against Wizz UK, or is everything enforceable solely against Wizz Hungary ? Could a company winding up order against Wizz UK be an option ?
(Yes, Mrs Johnson sometimes describes me as an aggressive little sh*t)
As Wizz fly from multiple UK airports rather than just Luton, I'm posting on the Wizz thread
How difficult would it be for an ordinary passenger with a friendly (non-aviation-specialist) lawyer who has gained a CCJ to arrest an aircraft in the UK that is operated by a Wizz group airline to enforce payment of the CCJ and costs ? Would the passenger recover High Court, lawyer and bailiff costs ? Are Wizz UK aircraft owned by Wizz UK or are they all leased and the property of other companies ? Do Wizz Hungary have any substantial assets in the UK which a bailiff could seize, and would a court bailiff have access, or would airport security prevent access ? Is airport management duty bound to allow the arrest of the aircraft, or can they close ranks and prevent access to the aircraft until it's departed the airport ? Are tickets with Wizz that involve flying on Wizz UK aircraft enforceable against Wizz UK, or is everything enforceable solely against Wizz Hungary ? Could a company winding up order against Wizz UK be an option ?
(Yes, Mrs Johnson sometimes describes me as an aggressive little sh*t)
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Of course there are Wizz assets to be seized but not behind the locked empty room that serves as Wizz Air U.K. HQ.
Wizz Air’s partner, London Luton Airport Operations Ltd, makes sure they remain hidden for the bailiffs but the sheriffs have more powers and cannot be stopped by airport security. I would recommend they start at the crew and opps room and then head for the apron.
How to seize an aircraft over a debt at a cost of £71 win or fail.
https://www.thesheriffsoffice.com/se...on-enforcement
Wizz Air’s partner, London Luton Airport Operations Ltd, makes sure they remain hidden for the bailiffs but the sheriffs have more powers and cannot be stopped by airport security. I would recommend they start at the crew and opps room and then head for the apron.
How to seize an aircraft over a debt at a cost of £71 win or fail.
https://www.thesheriffsoffice.com/se...on-enforcement
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Not sure they have such powers in a Sterile boarders area without an apron pass and a nod from the Airport, Boarder force & CAA.
It is not like in the linked article where a plane was directed to a quiet area and provision for secure storage had been made.
None of these is easily practical at Luton Airport.
It is not like in the linked article where a plane was directed to a quiet area and provision for secure storage had been made.
None of these is easily practical at Luton Airport.
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Plan A Bring a passport to the airport and demand access. They just then need an escort and cannot be impeded from executing a high court writ.
Plan B Buy a £10 ticket and slap a writ on the door when boarding. Wizz can argue the toss as to who owns the aircraft or pay up. In the mean time the aircraft can’t be moved so it is cheaper to pay.
Heathrow example on how to ground an aircraft with the aid of the police.
https://absoluteenforcement.com/inde...gh-court-writ/
Plan B Buy a £10 ticket and slap a writ on the door when boarding. Wizz can argue the toss as to who owns the aircraft or pay up. In the mean time the aircraft can’t be moved so it is cheaper to pay.
Heathrow example on how to ground an aircraft with the aid of the police.
https://absoluteenforcement.com/inde...gh-court-writ/
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I also note the Heathrow incident with these guys when a Writ was served on Delta Airlines for £2,800 owed to a pax. A manager paid up in the end on their own CC, in front of Channel 5 TV crew of course. Alot of comment about the legality in real life to seize a plane in this way, first need to prove who owns it, then if the plane is stopped from revenue flights, who compensates other pax, the airport etc. In the TV programme their are regular shots of Malaysian Airlines, surprised CH5 didn't get sued for defamation.
In practice pay for your flight on a Credit Card, they will fully refund you and just Debt the airline accordingly. That will hurt them much quicker!
In practice pay for your flight on a Credit Card, they will fully refund you and just Debt the airline accordingly. That will hurt them much quicker!
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Credit card bill has to be at least £100. Also a credit card won't pay the compensation these people have been awarded.
https://www.travelgossip.co.uk/lates...rst-offenders/
https://www.travelgossip.co.uk/lates...rst-offenders/
Citing Wizz as the worst offender, Which? said the CAA should consider whether it has beached the requirements of its licence to operate in the UK.
Of course there are Wizz assets to be seized but not behind the locked empty room that serves as Wizz Air U.K. HQ.
Wizz Air’s partner, London Luton Airport Operations Ltd, makes sure they remain hidden for the bailiffs but the sheriffs have more powers and cannot be stopped by airport security. I would recommend they start at the crew and opps room and then head for the apron.
How to seize an aircraft over a debt at a cost of £71 win or fail.
https://www.thesheriffsoffice.com/se...on-enforcement
Wizz Air’s partner, London Luton Airport Operations Ltd, makes sure they remain hidden for the bailiffs but the sheriffs have more powers and cannot be stopped by airport security. I would recommend they start at the crew and opps room and then head for the apron.
How to seize an aircraft over a debt at a cost of £71 win or fail.
https://www.thesheriffsoffice.com/se...on-enforcement
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So what is the way to go? They have already stated months ago that they don’t recognise U.K. law yet they were happy to receive furlough money from HM government.
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CAA seriously need to act. Tell them they've a set time period to comply with the CCJs or there will be punishments.
Wizz are acting like cowboys. I certainly wouldn't book a ticket with them.
Wizz are acting like cowboys. I certainly wouldn't book a ticket with them.
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One can see comments all round about this (trade press, mainstream news) that the CAA have been useless. Whatever as a "regulator" do they do nowadays for their state funding ?
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Theres a lot Wizz Air, particularly WUK have managed and continue to get away with, that many others wouldn't. Starts to make me think they (Wizz Air) have some kind of hold over the CAA and regulators. I guess money talks... but not for the everyday person.
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Many of the airlines are the same - profit margins are tight and so they won’t give money away freely. Not without making it difficult.
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Usually this sort of stuff is mopped up in a wider case where multiple airlines are held accountable by the CAA and action taken, rather than carriers on an individual basis. I’m sure Wizz will have their comeuppance one day.
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They have a total hold over Luton Airport. I wouldn’t be surprised if the airport wasn’t the chief lobbyist for Wizz with the CAA There used to be passenger rights posters by the ticket desks but they were taken down by the airport when the queues got too long.