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[pabely]

Sitting on ground earns no money unless the strongest figures were the early inbound and late outbound.

[Paulesx]

Originally Posted by pabely

Sitting on ground earns no money unless the strongest figures were the early inbound and late outbound.

I guess they figure they gain more by keeping plane on the ground to ensure the connections in Dubai with majority of onward points on the return leg.
ethiopian and air mautitus do the same with their Heathrow flights, although for them I suspect this is more to do with slot constraints than by design.

[pabely]

Someone else had the same thoughts as me https://simpleflying.com/emirates-lo...ng-777-return/

[pamann]

Originally Posted by pabely

Someone else had the same thoughts as me https://simpleflying.com/emirates-lo...ng-777-return/

It was no different to when they launched with 1x daily initially. It times better when the service goes 2x daily, which at a guess I would say won’t be too far off.

[Paulesx]

EK Ground time

Indeed, a good article actually which explains quite well the reasoning.
45% of the average BLF is point to point STN-DXB traffic, with this being the biggest contributor to the route it makes sense to ensure this has the best timings , overnight departure from STN with a morning arrival into DXB is very well suited. With 45% of the traffic connecting in DXB this time allows connecting to their 2nd largest bank of connecting flights. I would imagine if the p2p market share on this flight was typically lower than 45%, say 20% or something then the flight could well have less ground time in STN and arrive into DXB for the other bank of connecting departures in DXB.
in any case I imagine over time of the average load factors remain around the 80-85% mark a double daily will be on the cards again soon, meaning both the best p2p timings for Dubai pax and best option for onward connecting with those early morning DXB onward connections connecting

[pabely]

Originally Posted by pamann

It was no different to when they launched with 1x daily initially. It times better when the service goes 2x daily, which at a guess I would say won’t be too far off.

Thanks for that insight.
Timing for x2 daily will depend very much on LHR, if it relaxes it's daily pax cap then I'm sure that will be a priority, if not then STN will see it again sooner rather than later.

[STN406]

Originally Posted by pabely

Thanks for that insight.
Timing for x2 daily will depend very much on LHR, if it relaxes it's daily pax cap then I'm sure that will be a priority, if not then STN will see it again sooner rather than later.

Heathrow is at 6 a day what it was pre-covid. They have got an agreement with Heathrow on capacity.
So why would Heathrow get priority?
Plus the catchment area Stansted serves is very different from Heathrow. A fact Emirates have pointed out in the past.

[pabely]

Emirates have agreed not to sell any more seats out of LHR so if I want to book a flight with them to Far East via DXB I and forced to use STN or LGW. Once flights are on sale again from LHR I have that choice now. If this capacity cap at LHR continues then I can see x2 STN soon.
If STN catchment is the only factor and that is strong why not do x2 now to get double win?

[STN406]

Originally Posted by pabely

Emirates have agreed not to sell any more seats out of LHR so if I want to book a flight with them to Far East via DXB I and forced to use STN or LGW. Once flights are on sale again from LHR I have that choice now. If this capacity cap at LHR continues then I can see x2 STN soon.
If STN catchment is the only factor and that is strong why not do x2 now to get double win?

Due to factors previously spoken about on here. One main one being pilot shortage on the trebles.
Heathrow is not the be all and end all for all airlines.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

The catchment area for Stansted is not "very different from Heathrow". It has some additional catchment that is incredibly difficult to get to LHR from but the overlap is enormous and LHR has critical mass and 6 daily A380 that are temporarily capacity capped for the summer. It's telling how much prestige people give to wide body legacy long haul, it's remarkable how well STN has done to get Emirates at first, get them back AND get a B77W they can fill First with, something that LGW doesn't see on some rotations where they have high volume A380 with no F. Worrying that the BoE just put interest rates up today but it seems the bulk of the A380s are coming back and so the displaced B777s will need somewhere to go, so STN and EDI may benefit.

[pabely]

I know 777 captains who were dumped by Emirates. Thankfully found other work. If Emirates did approach them to get them back it didn't work - can't treat them like Indian labor.

[compton3bravo]

A bit like British Airways then.

[Sotonsean]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

The catchment area for Stansted is not "very different from Heathrow". It has some additional catchment that is incredibly difficult to get to LHR from but the overlap is enormous and LHR has critical mass and 6 daily A380 that are temporarily capacity capped for the summer. It's telling how much prestige people give to wide body legacy long haul, it's remarkable how well STN has done to get Emirates at first, get them back AND get a B77W they can fill First with, something that LGW doesn't see on some rotations where they have high volume A380 with no F. Worrying that the BoE just put interest rates up today but it seems the bulk of the A380s are coming back and so the displaced B777s will need somewhere to go, so STN and EDI may benefit.

Emirates at Stansted no doubt attracts "The only way is Essex" crowd who love anything Dubai.

I have no doubt a route to Orlando would also be a similar success from Stansted and possibly a seasonal Las Vegas, two options that were previously offered from Stansted by the former Thomas Cook.

[inOban]

It will also attract the sheiks visiting their horses at Newmarket.

[compton3bravo]

They come in executive aircraft.

[pabely]

Originally Posted by compton3bravo

They come in executive aircraft.

Yes why would you go Emirates 1st class when you have your own 747/BBJ/ACJ available which will go and arrive at times which suit you.

[sergy2k]

Ethiopian A350

Noticed a pax Ethiopian A350 inbound to Stansted yesterday. I assume a charter?

[BA318]

Originally Posted by sergy2k

Noticed a pax Ethiopian A350 inbound to Stansted yesterday. I assume a charter?

Most likely. They have really been innovative with using their planes while they are on the ground in Europe.

One operated Addis Ababa-Frankfurt. Then Frankfurt-Prague for Lufthansa. Then Prague-Burgas for Smartwings and then back the same.

[Keanaga]

ET A350

Originally Posted by BA318

Most likely. They have really been innovative with using their planes while they are on the ground in Europe.

One operated Addis Ababa-Frankfurt. Then Frankfurt-Prague for Lufthansa. Then Prague-Burgas for Smartwings and then back the same.

Hi the ET A350 was on a belly freight charter .

Lagos-Stansted-Mahe.

Regards.

[STN406]

Emirates Figures

Here are the figures for the first 8 days of Emirates operations restarting at Stansted.