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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 22:21
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It was last painted in the summer of 2018 into it's current white scheme under BMI so it simply wasn't due a paint like the rest were upon their transfer to Loganair and thus never got the opportunity to get re-registered in the process would be my interpretaton. Lack of neccesity coupled with the current climate may never see it become G-SAJE has had been widely speculated however I could very well be wrong.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 22:33
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Change is supposed to be happening fairly soon. The aircraft needs a few days on the ground for the change to happen. G-INFO is showing change of registration opened last week and due for review in two weeks time. I doubt it's been a massive priority and XH is also one of the aircraft which has been flying without much of a break.
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:12
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If it's not a silly question, what's the significance of the G-SAJx registrations ?
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Old 22nd Jul 2021, 23:25
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Old 17th Aug 2021, 13:41
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Just saw this today, however it's dated 30th July. Who could he be referring to?

I assume that the three big low cost airlines he means are Jet 2, easyJet and Ryanair.

Airlines' biggest enemy are themselves - Loganair boss - Business Insider

ďIn terms of the three big low cost airlines operating out of the UK, one of them is acting in a very measured and controlled way, one of them has come close to losing control and taken some pretty judicious steps to get back there, and the third one has lost control of its business and unfortunately just havenít realised it yet."
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Old 17th Aug 2021, 14:15
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What about Wizz?
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Old 17th Aug 2021, 14:33
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Ryanair, Wizz and Easyjet respectively was my guess on reading this.
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Old 17th Aug 2021, 14:41
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I read that and thought pot, kettle, black
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Old 17th Aug 2021, 14:51
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Maybe he should concentrate a little more on his own business and instead tackle the ridiculously high fares on many of their routes!
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Old 17th Aug 2021, 20:48
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If a company has a (near) monopoly on its products - eg domestic routes within Scotland for Loganair... ridiculously expensive prices tends to be profitable. Demand might be lower, but the profit margins more than make up for it

Loganair has little reason to cut those ridiculously high fares
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Old 17th Aug 2021, 21:11
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I think Link Kilo probably has nailed it with the airlines and the order in which they appear in that comment.

The fares discussion is quite funny. It's not as though selling low fares on regional aircraft has worked out especially well as a business model in the UK of late. Most airline CEOs, with a few very notable and public exceptions, tend to try to find ways to increase yields rather than decrease them. I can't imagine Loganair would be any different.
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Old 18th Aug 2021, 09:44
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FlyBe did exactly that and it didn’t work.
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Old 18th Aug 2021, 13:28
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Based on albeit limited direct and indirect experience, I have to say that Mr Hinkles is a very astute businessman. He knows what he's doing, he knows how to do it and he's happy to share his knowledge and expertise - be that positive or brutally honest constructive feedback.

The high fares being charged on certain routes are what is keeping them afloat and as has been said, their is no reason to reduce those fares. They're lifeline routes and the people that use them as a lifeline are afforded discounts. The rest of the passengers can choose to pay the premium.

Just to re-post the quote in full, I think it's clear that he has a pretty damning view on easyJet and their recent practices.

“We have a number of competitors who are doing things which are bizarre - piling aircraft into the UK domestic market, flying 180 person planes with 20 to 30 passengers on board - and that is having some impact on Loganair.
“There will be questions when we will eventually get an outbreak in sanity from some of the more outlandish things that we are seeing from one carrier in particular.
“In terms of the three big low cost airlines operating out of the UK, one of them is acting in a very measured and controlled way, one of them has come close to losing control and taken some pretty judicious steps to get back there, and the third one has lost control of its business and unfortunately just haven’t realised it yet."

Loganair really do know what they're doing, they're a good balance of optimistic and risk averse. I think they could possibly have done more to gain traction after the demise of Flybe and take on some of the key routes that worked for them, but other than that they seem to be doing all the right things and plus, we had a pandemic that put paid to most growth opportunities.

I hope to see Logan and British Airways work together in the future. I do believe Cityflyer and Loganair in particular could be a very good partnership in certain niche areas. I wish their foray into Teesside the best as well, there were only 7 of us on MME-LHR on Friday (16 on MME-BRS, and a decent amount seemed to get off ABZ-MME) but I was told things are picking up - "sometimes we have double figures." I hope there's more to come from Loganair at Newcastle too, there are a few gaps they could fill quite nicely and I'm sure their Scottish work will remain as strong as ever.

Very pleased to see that service has returned to Loganair as well and I must say Teesside is one of the best UK airport experiences I think I've ever had.
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Old 20th Oct 2021, 19:42
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Loganair's latest ATR 72-600, G-LMTA was delivered into Aberdeen last night(19th). This is the replacement for G-FBXA, with the replacement for G-FBXB due next month.
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Old 20th Oct 2021, 20:08
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where are XA and XB going?
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Old 20th Oct 2021, 20:10
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Return to lessor Nov/Dec
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Old 22nd Oct 2021, 09:42
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Loganair is so far the only airline to receive money from a £4.5m Department for the Economy scheme to support Northern Ireland’s domestic air connectivity, Business Telegraph can reveal. The Scottish airline told the Belfast Telegraph it has received money for four Belfast City Airport routes under the NI Domestic Aviation Kickstart Scheme (NIDAKS), which closes in less than a fortnight. It flies to Aberdeen, Dundee, Inverness and Teesside International in England from Belfast.
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Old 25th Oct 2021, 19:33
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My first flight with LA couple of weeks ago on an ATR72.

Was surprised to receive a snack and drink (well a biscuit and a beaker of water), although that did not really make up for the mugging that the corporate credit card took.

They were very strict that Bluetooth was not to be used. Not sure what that was all about, but rather murdered the point of my noise-canceling headphones.
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Old 26th Oct 2021, 21:07
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The bluetooth policy stems from Saab themselves, Crossair 498 crash had many theories that led to phone interference (hence the original ban) and Saab then never certified the 340s for use with bluetooth and still haven't, so LM has a blanket ban on it. However there was quiet talks about LM trying to get the paperwork for the other fleets in order soon enough to allow. Free inflight serviced with added hot and cold drinks fully resumed yesterday which is good.
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Old 27th Oct 2021, 21:19
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Would agree on your assessment of the CEO. Traction after the fall of Flybe however was not possible as every airport had stopped bar essential travel. I did enjoy the cup of tea on my last flight.
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