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Good news for GCI if they open up this summer
Always thought an EDI route would make sense; surprised Aurigny haven’t tried it
LCY great for weekenders
I wonder if BA could keep the LCY part going all year
Always thought an EDI route would make sense; surprised Aurigny haven’t tried it
LCY great for weekenders
I wonder if BA could keep the LCY part going all year
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I’ll give the BA route six months if that, Aurigny tried it and it didn’t work for them and if BA can move the aircraft onto a more profitable route then they will. Problem with Guernsey is there isn’t a great tourism industry unlike Jersey, many hotels have closed up or are up for sale with little investment over the years. With all eggs in one basket with regards to the finance industry and not much else, some of the locals forget only sixty odd thousand live on the island, the size of a small town in the U.K., which is probably not enough to support a variety of routes, I could be proved wrong though.
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Only time will tell, as others have eluded to, I think these ‘new’ routes we are seeing from BA will be short term, as Sean Doyle said recently BA will adapt and fly to where they can and where people want to go, they have a very limited number of destinations that are worth flying to in the coming weeks and months, they have spare aircraft and crew and will deploy their aircraft wherever they can for now, this I would suspect will change as other countries open up.
I supposed LCY wise, as it was mainly focused on business travel if that does take some time to return then maybe any new LCY routes may last a bit longer
I supposed LCY wise, as it was mainly focused on business travel if that does take some time to return then maybe any new LCY routes may last a bit longer
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Totally agree 772
"Sean Doyle said recently BA will adapt and fly to where they can and where people want to go"
BA wisely living to Ryanair model of starting and cancelling new routes when required. I just get annoyed at armchair analysts trying to justify a BA new route yet Ryanair almost daily chop and change.
Gone are the days where people.nkw would book next year's holiday.
It's going to be all last minute and short notice sun holidays from now on
"Sean Doyle said recently BA will adapt and fly to where they can and where people want to go"
BA wisely living to Ryanair model of starting and cancelling new routes when required. I just get annoyed at armchair analysts trying to justify a BA new route yet Ryanair almost daily chop and change.
Gone are the days where people.nkw would book next year's holiday.
It's going to be all last minute and short notice sun holidays from now on
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From what I was told the other week LCY was doing better than EDI
The airport stats released by VisitGuernsey unfortunately includes Edinburgh under 'other' but LCY had 477 arrivals for July which works out at an average of 53 passengers.
When I flew GCI - LCY and LCY - GCI the other week there was about 80-odd passengers on the Friday outbound, maybe 60-odd on the Monday return.
The airport stats released by VisitGuernsey unfortunately includes Edinburgh under 'other' but LCY had 477 arrivals for July which works out at an average of 53 passengers.
When I flew GCI - LCY and LCY - GCI the other week there was about 80-odd passengers on the Friday outbound, maybe 60-odd on the Monday return.
All of your figures for LCY are quite good & better than I would have thought. I hope that both places are worth the airline continuing with next year ; & LCY over the winter - though it really needs a daily service, the demand for which is probably not there.
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As much as LCY is more convenient for me than LGW, the day I came back from LCY there was only one LGW service which was the evening GR610/ GR611.
I wonder how the LCY would do when up against a 4 times daily LGW unfortunately, as local people have a habit of sticking to the Gatwick service - know of quite a few who used Gatwick and then bus/ taxied up to LHR when we had the Flybe service a few years back as that is what they had always done.
I wonder how the LCY would do when up against a 4 times daily LGW unfortunately, as local people have a habit of sticking to the Gatwick service - know of quite a few who used Gatwick and then bus/ taxied up to LHR when we had the Flybe service a few years back as that is what they had always done.
As you say, the demand for a LCY service - when in competition with a frequent LGW service - just isn’t there. If LCY is ever going to be a self sustaining service, it does, however, need to be daily (probably twice daily); but the loads just aren’t there. To some extent, as you state, Guerns tend to stick with what they know ie LGW. This is strengthened by the extra number of connecting destinations from there, but there are also connections from LCY. Unfortunately too few to attract many punters; &, of course, non-existent to long haul destinations.
Which is why I wish BAW & LCY well, but don’t expect them to be a permanent presence in Guernsey; other than seasonal. Hope I’m wrong.
Which is why I wish BAW & LCY well, but don’t expect them to be a permanent presence in Guernsey; other than seasonal. Hope I’m wrong.
I always thought that the market would have been better ifor Aurigny if they had offered an early departure from LCY to GCI, CityFlyer Express used to do an 0730 departure from LGW to GCI which was always very well supported & gave the London business person a full day on the island as I think they also operated a 1900 departure back to LGW. City could work with the right timings & frequency - 3 times weekly/twice daily would do it I think.
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Interestingly I have done the BA LCY flight one return and one single: Was a real
pleasure and flew in Club Europe
On my last return I took Aurigny and was shocked to see the crew in full PPE and no service offered
Then arrival in Gatwick north and then Thameslink back to London was not a present experience
I must admit I found Aurigny had changed pre pandemic and is not really the airline it once was. I am sure they are being further constrained by the Guernsey Health department but I think competition to the Island is healthy.
I liked the Flybe brief appearance on the LHR route
pleasure and flew in Club Europe
On my last return I took Aurigny and was shocked to see the crew in full PPE and no service offered
Then arrival in Gatwick north and then Thameslink back to London was not a present experience
I must admit I found Aurigny had changed pre pandemic and is not really the airline it once was. I am sure they are being further constrained by the Guernsey Health department but I think competition to the Island is healthy.
I liked the Flybe brief appearance on the LHR route
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Looks like we will have some European flights for 2022 (can't find anythng for Germany yet):
CI Travel Group have announced weekly (Sunday) charter flights to Majorca between end of May - Mid September using BA CityFlyer Embraer 190s next summer.
I've had a quick look online and Sunair who are involved with the Dutch Charters have Groningen down as operating from end of April - Mid-August 2022 and Rotterdam end of April - early September both with Blue Islands.
Blue Islands are also down for the Zurich charter based on what I can find - (with the UK network now also are they going to need more aircraft?)
The Alsie Express charter from Sonderborg that was planned pre-Covid looks to be down as operating 26 - 29 May also.
CI Travel Group have announced weekly (Sunday) charter flights to Majorca between end of May - Mid September using BA CityFlyer Embraer 190s next summer.
I've had a quick look online and Sunair who are involved with the Dutch Charters have Groningen down as operating from end of April - Mid-August 2022 and Rotterdam end of April - early September both with Blue Islands.
Blue Islands are also down for the Zurich charter based on what I can find - (with the UK network now also are they going to need more aircraft?)
The Alsie Express charter from Sonderborg that was planned pre-Covid looks to be down as operating 26 - 29 May also.
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Haven't looked too in depth but looks like it's a combination of a few things including this being the first winter for Aurigny operating to Birmingham and Exeter and an increase in service to Gatwick and Southampton:
- the reintroduction of the ATR flights to Gatwick
- Southampton increasing to 3 daily flights on Aurigny metal (compared to 1 at the moment)
- Birmingham looks to be increased to daily (double daily on Thursdays to allow for a day return).
- Exeter operating Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday (Tuesday is double daily to allow for a day return).
- (Bristol reducing to 4 weekly during winter)
- (Manchester reducing to 11 weekly)
Presumably East Midlands moves to being seasonal alongside Leeds and Norwich (could be a busy summer 2022 if Stansted also returns alongside the new Dublin route).
- the reintroduction of the ATR flights to Gatwick
- Southampton increasing to 3 daily flights on Aurigny metal (compared to 1 at the moment)
- Birmingham looks to be increased to daily (double daily on Thursdays to allow for a day return).
- Exeter operating Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday (Tuesday is double daily to allow for a day return).
- (Bristol reducing to 4 weekly during winter)
- (Manchester reducing to 11 weekly)
Presumably East Midlands moves to being seasonal alongside Leeds and Norwich (could be a busy summer 2022 if Stansted also returns alongside the new Dublin route).
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New Aurigny route for Summer 2022.
The Embraer will be pulled off the Gatwick route to operate to Malaga every Wednesday from 13 July - 7 September
GR001 Dep GCI: 10:20, Arr: AGP: 14:05
GR002 Dep AGP: 14:50, Arr: GCI: 16:35
News this morning also reporting that an announcement of interline agreements with various airlines should be on its way at some point.
The Embraer will be pulled off the Gatwick route to operate to Malaga every Wednesday from 13 July - 7 September
GR001 Dep GCI: 10:20, Arr: AGP: 14:05
GR002 Dep AGP: 14:50, Arr: GCI: 16:35
News this morning also reporting that an announcement of interline agreements with various airlines should be on its way at some point.
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Whilst this is great news, the Barcelona was weight restricted. This one will be even more so. Why do Aurigny go over the top with their flight times? Even allowing for taxiing they're excessive. This has been given the same flight length as a SOU-AGP. Is it done to make OTP better?
Can't think of any other reason ; but would be interested in any other suggestions. These sort of initiatives from AUR are welcome. As is the announcement that the airline & politicians are seeking ways to make AUR profitable . Can't see it happening, though !
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Probably more than likely. Some of the LGW - GCI flights have been given 90 minute block times (which is 25 minutes more than BA had scheduled for their GCI - LCY flights) yet I've seen the 13.20 landing as early as 12.35 , the 17.35 landing 30 minutes early fairly often and the 20.55 is quite often landed before the 20.30 Southampton.
The other week my brother was home with a cup of coffee before the scheduled arrival time of his Gatwick flight
Probably more than likely. Some of the LGW - GCI flights have been given 90 minute block times (which is 25 minutes more than BA had scheduled for their GCI - LCY flights) yet I've seen the 13.20 landing as early as 12.35 , the 17.35 landing 30 minutes early fairly often and the 20.55 is quite often landed before the 20.30 Southampton.
The other week my brother was home with a cup of coffee before the scheduled arrival time of his Gatwick flight