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Old 5th Jul 2023, 09:08
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Would mean or could mean ?

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Guernsey airport runway extension faces delay https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-eur...rnsey-66096424
The BBC Report is rather misleading. The consensus of opinion is that an increase in passenger numbers could ( as in might ) be achieved as long as airport charges are slashed. But one does not need a runway extension to do that !

Publication of the Runway Extension Study policy letter - States of Guernsey (gov.gg)
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Old 5th Jul 2023, 16:55
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It all revolves around an increase in passenger numbers. Because, without that Guernsey is highly unlikely to get EZY, RYR or any other low cost carrier in. Does extending the runway magically mean that such operators will be interested ? Not in my opinion. With a population of 65,000 the scope for a meaningful & profitable low cost operation just does not stack up. Guernsey wants low cost, frequent & more extensive routes. It isn’t going to get any of these, runway extension or no runway extension, unless it can make itself attractive to LCCs. That means a sizable increase in demand. That isn’t going to happen unless the population suddenly increases to somewhere near Jersey’ level, or the existing population suddenly becomes far more affluent. If it were to happen, the impact on the publicly owned Aurigny would be catastrophic - just as it celebrates its first small profit in several years ! You can’t have what they want without the demand.
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The other issue is that there is no longer the hotel accommodation to take a large increase in passenger numbers. Alot of the old hotels have now been turned into domestic housing
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Very true. I had discounted any tourism led extra demand, without saying so. Guernsey has to accept the probability that it’s market is not large enough to justify the desired increased frequency & extra destinations that are so attractive; or lose Aurigny. Extra runway length, in my opinion, is a red herring.
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If I am not mistaken, the number of travellers visiting Guernsey for leisure purposes almost halved between 1997 (approx. 270k) and 2019 (136k) - and since then, it has decreased further quite dramactically. Even if business travel has increased over the past 25 years (?), it is pretty obvious that there is no need for more airline capacity. Given its size, Guernsey can consider it lucky to have all those links offered by Aurigny these days.
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Well, this is precisely what I have been telling them for quite a while. However, the “extend the runway” faction are convinced that an extra 600 feet of tarmac is going to solve all their problems ! They are not alone; a similar group in Alderney (pop 1800) expect an extended runway to miraculously provide extra links, increased frequency & cheaper fares ! Some people do not seem to make their judgements on factual evidence. By all means build the runway, which will result in the odd larger aircraft charter flight; or, 1or 2 EZY schedules per day to Gatwick; & lose AUR in the process. Then, The States will have no certainty of control on the Gatwick slots (which was the rationale for purchasing AUR in the first place). The island has no money to do anything, basically, but it is expected that £20m+ will be available for the extension. Which world does this group live in ?
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Surprised no-one has mentioned the surge in activity for the Island Games. The Aurigny 195 has flown in teams from Gibraltar (over Malaga) and Shetland (over Aberdeen) already, and it’s off to Visby tomorrow morning. Visits into Guernsey from Atlantic Airways from Vagar and Air Malta, Loganair from Aberdeen with the Orkney contingent and Blue Islands from Stornoway with the Western Isles squad. It’s quite some airlift and probably heading for a record July at GCI by the time it’s all done.
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"The island has no money to do anything, basically, "

Hmm - all those financial types and bankers could perhaps pay a bit more tax???
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If they were asked to pay more tax they would relocate their business to a location with 'a more competitive tax regime'.
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Thanks, Asturias & Oban - the local political argument & dilemma in a nutshell ! We are stuck with them & we can’t get shot of them !
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Don't know of loadings and presume the time of day/ winds also helped but both the Atlantic Airways A320-214 and Air Malta A320NEO operated direct when they took teams home from the Island Games.

According to the ITV local news, the States of Guernsey are in negotiations with an unamed airline about operating a direct link to Paris (I presume it is Aurigny as they were known to be looking at the possibilities of opening a Paris route last year).
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Originally Posted by KindaUnstuck
Don't know of loadings and presume the time of day/ winds also helped but both the Atlantic Airways A320-214 and Air Malta A320NEO operated direct when they took teams home from the Island Games.

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According to the ITV local news, the States of Guernsey are in negotiations with an unamed airline about operating a direct link to Paris (I presume it is Aurigny as they were known to be looking at the possibilities of opening a Paris route last year).

1. Approx 165 for Atlantic Airways & 60 for Air Malta I believe


2. Lets hope for a new operator who can provide onward connections on a through booking - I just hope it's not Aurigny or Eastern Airways!

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Originally Posted by KindaUnstuck
Don't know of loadings and presume the time of day/ winds also helped but both the Atlantic Airways A320-214 and Air Malta A320NEO operated direct when they took teams home from the Island Games.

According to the ITV local news, the States of Guernsey are in negotiations with an unamed airline about operating a direct link to Paris (I presume it is Aurigny as they were known to be looking at the possibilities of opening a Paris route last year).
The Atlantic Airways A320 went home via Exeter for a field stop.
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Old 21st Jul 2023, 10:58
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Fr24 shows otherwise as a direct flight.
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Old 21st Jul 2023, 13:00
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Originally Posted by Jersey32D
The Atlantic Airways A320 went home via Exeter for a field stop.
It was due to, but then about an hour before take off I noticed it changed on Flight Radar and she went direct, which was a surprise as it wasn't even the NEO
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Originally Posted by Jersey32D
The Atlantic Airways A320 went home via Exeter for a field stop.

A stop off in EXT was the original plan, however it went direct in the end.
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I understand that Guernsey airport is closed at the moment (9 August morning). Is there somebody reading this who would be kind enough to say why ?
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Old 9th Aug 2023, 07:44
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METAR: Runway 27 RVR 75m no change, 100m visibility, fog, overcast
TAF: 300m vis, TEMPO 2000m 0700-1600, BECMG 4000m 1100-1300
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Old 9th Aug 2023, 08:01
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
I understand that Guernsey airport is closed at the moment (9 August morning). Is there somebody reading this who would be kind enough to say why ?
An airport is not "closed" due to prevailing weather conditions. It's just that flights may not be able to operate due to conditions being below weather minima.
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Originally Posted by Commanche 250
An airport is not "closed" due to prevailing weather conditions. It's just that flights may not be able to operate due to conditions being below weather minima.
apparently the runway lights are also broken
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