EGNH bans banners
Forget the message, is it a curtailment of Freedom of Speech??
Regards the message to me it is Racist like BLM is Racist... All lives matter..
If it is aimed at the Met who appear to not regard BLM as important then take the message to Cressida Dick...
Of interest how many of the footballers would NOT take the knee if they were giver a free choice by their employer with NO repercussions? and where is the FA as to me this is a Political Statement....
Regards the message to me it is Racist like BLM is Racist... All lives matter..
If it is aimed at the Met who appear to not regard BLM as important then take the message to Cressida Dick...
Of interest how many of the footballers would NOT take the knee if they were giver a free choice by their employer with NO repercussions? and where is the FA as to me this is a Political Statement....
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Even if it’s legal I certainly wouldn’t want to do it. I don’t understand people who fly single engine over built up areas. There is literally nowhere to go if the engine stops.
It may well be legal in this day and age (I think it’s 1000’ above highest object etc), but common sense dictates otherwise.
I had the very same discussion on the Gatwick GA thread and was shot down about it.
There’s even an article in this months Pilot magazine about flying over London in an RV6.
Old pilots and bold pilots and all that..
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I’ll just leave this here, and risk moderators deleting the post for drifting the thread. If - before being deleted - it is seen by just one person who thinks that “white lives matter” is an appropriate stance to take then my work here will be done.
Be safe, everyone.
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The modern world is definitely crazy, masses and masses of people just waiting to be offended and outraged by everything and anything. I see the pilots name has now been revealed on the poison that is social media, that cannot be right or reasonable in anyones viewpoint.
Maybe I just don't get it, I find it hard to understand an airport authority getting involved in policing banners that incidentally the local plod stated there was no criminal offence committed. It just seems to set a tricky precedent, what next? Will airports refuse arriving private aircraft because they are wary of the passenger on board being controversial? Will every private pilot have to justify his/her/nonbinary intentions to the local airport manager before being given permission to fly?
Maybe if airport managers ran airports, police actually police crimes, we all just wised up and live and let live. Maybe life would be easier? Maybe i'm naive!!
Maybe I just don't get it, I find it hard to understand an airport authority getting involved in policing banners that incidentally the local plod stated there was no criminal offence committed. It just seems to set a tricky precedent, what next? Will airports refuse arriving private aircraft because they are wary of the passenger on board being controversial? Will every private pilot have to justify his/her/nonbinary intentions to the local airport manager before being given permission to fly?
Maybe if airport managers ran airports, police actually police crimes, we all just wised up and live and let live. Maybe life would be easier? Maybe i'm naive!!
My personal belief is the people who paid for the it to be flown did so to deliberately antagonise "the other side" and its succeeded by the level of media attention etc.
With retrospect applied the people against it would of been better to simply ignore and have the media do the same. No coverage, no uproar, no additional people tipping support one way or another. The media might not think or believe it but by publishing the story its fuelled the issue.
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I do find it odd that somebody has chosen to be so offended by the term "Black Lives Matter" they actually paid for a plane to tow some words across the sky above a football match. Bonkers.
The sheer weight of legislation, quotas in police/govt/media and over representation in tv and films would suggest otherwise. The US may have its own issues but we don't.
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The number of black people who have died in police custody says that we do have the same problem. And any black in the professions has experienced random searches if not worse.
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Basic Freedom at risk
Aviation would be well advised to avoid 'taking a stance' on such issues. Blackpool Airport which should concern itself with providing a service to anyone wishing to use it, is letting 'politics' get in the way of its remit. If the Football industry chooses to embroil itself with politics then that's up to them, but as with everything there is ALWAYS more than one point of view, and if its
ok to say BLM then it is equally ok to say WLM, although a better slogan (in my point of view) would be All LM.
We must not allow the rubbish that has become Social Media to invade our basic freedom of choice and voice, and those who choose to play the 'Racist' card at every opportunity have to realise that not agreeing with everything they say IS NOT RACIST, it is the normal right of reply.
The whole world has come a long way since some of its darker times, and due to the advent of free press (and media) plus more democracy, we should applaud the improvements made in how we all live together, and not rise to the attempts of those who seek conflict of any sort.
It so happens that Blackpool Airport saw the new start of Aerial advertising back in 84/85 and there were plenty of 'interesting ' banners flown after that,many of which were either pro or anti Government, plus a very high profile GET STUFFED S,,,,,,L which flew past a party conference in Brighton.
ok to say BLM then it is equally ok to say WLM, although a better slogan (in my point of view) would be All LM.
We must not allow the rubbish that has become Social Media to invade our basic freedom of choice and voice, and those who choose to play the 'Racist' card at every opportunity have to realise that not agreeing with everything they say IS NOT RACIST, it is the normal right of reply.
The whole world has come a long way since some of its darker times, and due to the advent of free press (and media) plus more democracy, we should applaud the improvements made in how we all live together, and not rise to the attempts of those who seek conflict of any sort.
It so happens that Blackpool Airport saw the new start of Aerial advertising back in 84/85 and there were plenty of 'interesting ' banners flown after that,many of which were either pro or anti Government, plus a very high profile GET STUFFED S,,,,,,L which flew past a party conference in Brighton.
OK - we are now replicating the same discussion about the same cartoon as is taking place in JetBlast, suggest this subject gets switched?
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Airports Thread
Seems the correct place to run the discussion.
I read one the other day where the chap had died in police custody.
The thing was, he’d taken a drugs overdose and the cops had not called for an ambulance quick enough.
thats “their fault” apparently, not his, go figure.
This thread refers specifically to Blackpool Airport and its 'decision' to ban an authorised long term operator to operate from that Airport.
Seems the correct place to run the discussion.
Seems the correct place to run the discussion.
I am admittedly a bit rusty on civil airlaw. Haven't used my CAA PPL since the 90s.
I dug out an old copy of Trevor Thom Airlaw Vol 2 which says:
LF Regs (Rule 5), flight over congested area: not below a height to land clear if an engine fails and not below 1500' above the highest fixed object within 600m of the ac, whichever is higher.
it also says no lower than 1000m of an open-air gathering of more than 1000 people. Maybe this one applies?
Has all this changed? I forgot all this stuff when I left the Chinook force 15 years ago.
I dug out an old copy of Trevor Thom Airlaw Vol 2 which says:
LF Regs (Rule 5), flight over congested area: not below a height to land clear if an engine fails and not below 1500' above the highest fixed object within 600m of the ac, whichever is higher.
it also says no lower than 1000m of an open-air gathering of more than 1000 people. Maybe this one applies?
Has all this changed? I forgot all this stuff when I left the Chinook force 15 years ago.
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I am admittedly a bit rusty on civil airlaw. Haven't used my CAA PPL since the 90s.
I dug out an old copy of Trevor Thom Airlaw Vol 2 which says:
LF Regs (Rule 5), flight over congested area: not below a height to land clear if an engine fails and not below 1500' above the highest fixed object within 600m of the ac, whichever is higher.
it also says no lower than 1000m of an open-air gathering of more than 1000 people. Maybe this one applies?
Has all this changed? I forgot all this stuff when I left the Chinook force 15 years ago.
I dug out an old copy of Trevor Thom Airlaw Vol 2 which says:
LF Regs (Rule 5), flight over congested area: not below a height to land clear if an engine fails and not below 1500' above the highest fixed object within 600m of the ac, whichever is higher.
it also says no lower than 1000m of an open-air gathering of more than 1000 people. Maybe this one applies?
Has all this changed? I forgot all this stuff when I left the Chinook force 15 years ago.
Yes it’s all changed. Quick read of the ANO will bring you up to speed. The rule is now 1000’. Check out the Gatwick GA thread in Private Flying.