Coronavirus Impact on Air Travel
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We are looking at going to be doing a contract down there next year, and enquired about tacking on some fishing to a business trip down there. I was told by the lodge that they would not be opening to none NZ/AUS tourists until next year at the very earliest. So looks like a long flight wearing masks for a 2 day meeting, if they even allow us in which is not a given as yet and I would be coming from Germany not UK.
We are looking at going to be doing a contract down there next year, and enquired about tacking on some fishing to a business trip down there. I was told by the lodge that they would not be opening to none NZ/AUS tourists until next year at the very earliest. So looks like a long flight wearing masks for a 2 day meeting, if they even allow us in which is not a given as yet and I would be coming from Germany not UK.
Covid-19 declaration on arrival in UK
It looks as though passengers arriving from the countries and territories in the new list of "safe" countries from 10.7.20 will still have to complete the declaration of their place of residence in UK upon arrival.
As we're heading over to Germany tomorrow, I set about setting up the form through the government website, so it could be ready to send 48 hours before arrival on my phone, but Mrs ATN doesn't have a smart phone so the plan was to complete her form on the PC and print it off to hand in to Border Force on arrival back in UK. Hopefully we'll be able to complete both er and my forms on my phone, then we shouldn't have an issue.
Somewhat surprisingly, there is no option to download the form in pdf format, and complete by hand. I did check with the carrier and they said that so far as they are aware there isn't. This begs an interesting question. Many older people don't use smart phones, and won't be able to complete the required declaration before returning to the UK. How does this impact on, for example, and to stereotype, a bus load of pensioners returning from a week's trip, if say, a few of the passengers don't have the technology. Are they effectively barred from travelling?
As we're heading over to Germany tomorrow, I set about setting up the form through the government website, so it could be ready to send 48 hours before arrival on my phone, but Mrs ATN doesn't have a smart phone so the plan was to complete her form on the PC and print it off to hand in to Border Force on arrival back in UK. Hopefully we'll be able to complete both er and my forms on my phone, then we shouldn't have an issue.
Somewhat surprisingly, there is no option to download the form in pdf format, and complete by hand. I did check with the carrier and they said that so far as they are aware there isn't. This begs an interesting question. Many older people don't use smart phones, and won't be able to complete the required declaration before returning to the UK. How does this impact on, for example, and to stereotype, a bus load of pensioners returning from a week's trip, if say, a few of the passengers don't have the technology. Are they effectively barred from travelling?
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In and around Barcelona and on the islands of Ibiza, Majorca and Menorca masks are going to be made compulsory at all times when in public areas regardless of whether there is anyone around or not. Any Scots venturing to Spain will also have to go into quarantine on their return,as the SNP is keeping the existing rules and not following England.
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Well Sturgeon has thought of that scenario.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53336489
Definitely no insurance cover on that scenario for Scots to get their money back I would have thought.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53336489
The move means anyone entering Scotland from Spain or Serbia will have to go into self-isolation even if they travel via an English airport.
Spot-checks are conducted on people who are meant to be in quarantine, and fines can be levied if it is found they are not
Spot-checks are conducted on people who are meant to be in quarantine, and fines can be levied if it is found they are not
Who is doing these spot checks to verify people are keeping to quarantine, and how many inspectors are there ? I'm inclined to think it's a bit like TV licence vans.... they exist but there's a lot more bark than bite
So if they route as example MAD-LHR-GLA (seperate tickets and not through fare) on arrival each pax arriving in Scotland will be asked what their route was and need to prove it?🤭🙄
Seems a bit dubious.
Seems a bit dubious.
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I believe that the airlines supply Border Force with addressee for everyone who enters the country and the Scottish addresses will be passed on. There was a delay while data protection issues were resolved.
Interesting article - one believes that cross-infection from touching surfaces is by far the biggest risk, the other more concerned about the virus persisting in aerosols
Scientist 1
Scientist 2
Is it safe to travel by plane? As flights ramp back up we speak to two Manchester scientists - with two very different views
Scientist 1
Taking all this into account, is is safe to travel by plane?
"Essentially it's safe to travel on a plane. They are very safe. They are as clean as operating theatres in terms of air circulation.
"Essentially it's safe to travel on a plane. They are very safe. They are as clean as operating theatres in terms of air circulation.
Scientist 2
So, taking all this into account. Is air travel safe?
"I would think air travel is not very safe from my interpretation of the data.
"I would think air travel is not very safe from my interpretation of the data.
Some of the air will be extracted by the ventilation but there are pockets which will recirculate much longer. That's a turbulent motion mixing the air very rapidly throughout the cabin. I could see this as problematic. Those aerosols could be in suspension for a long time – minutes, an hour.
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That's because it's just their personal opinions.
Just because a scientist (define pls) voices an opinion, it doesn't make it science.
Therefore if you're in the 'paranoid' camp you pick the opinion of a 'paranoid' scientist (or more cynically, one that peddles paranoia to get the nod on that research grant!). If you're in the 'not paranoid' camp you go through the list of 'not paranoid' scientists to listen to their opinion.
There is little science on the epidemiology - just statistical data and a 'paranoid' media lacking in balance that constantly implies that catching the virus is either a guaranteed death sentence or will give you life changing disabilties. The evidence however does not support this.
Just because a scientist (define pls) voices an opinion, it doesn't make it science.
Therefore if you're in the 'paranoid' camp you pick the opinion of a 'paranoid' scientist (or more cynically, one that peddles paranoia to get the nod on that research grant!). If you're in the 'not paranoid' camp you go through the list of 'not paranoid' scientists to listen to their opinion.
There is little science on the epidemiology - just statistical data and a 'paranoid' media lacking in balance that constantly implies that catching the virus is either a guaranteed death sentence or will give you life changing disabilties. The evidence however does not support this.
Ah but you see, how do you know that said scientist is "paranoid" and that the other is not just "lackadaisical".view You have a view sure, but actually it may just not be the correct view of interpretation. Life is great isn't it??!! 🤔🙄
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I don't believe that scientists are either paranoid or lackadaisical. It is quite proper for them to look at the limited evidence and draw different conclusions. As more evidence becomes available, from analysis of the circumstances in which people actually get infected, they will learn.
On the one hand it is good that the public see that the science is not static or monolithic and can be discussed openly. On the other it gives an opportunity for those with an axe to grind to pick the conclusions which fit their preconceptions.
On the one hand it is good that the public see that the science is not static or monolithic and can be discussed openly. On the other it gives an opportunity for those with an axe to grind to pick the conclusions which fit their preconceptions.
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Just got back today after my first long haul set of fights since just before lock down. I can not say it was a good experience wearing face masks for 7hrs apart from when eating or drinking. Long check in time even in Business, though flight was quiet. No talking to crew in galley, or bar, so not no interaction. Not as much fun as used to be, but the views and the G&T are still good, and immigration quiet at Man, though to be honest its been like that since lock down.I flew throughout into Europe, and I am on nodding terms with immigration officers now, as I guess's very regular passenger stand out more when there are few other passengers.
Glad I am home !!
Just got back today after my first long haul set of fights since just before lock down. I can not say it was a good experience wearing face masks for 7hrs apart from when eating or drinking. Long check in time even in Business, though flight was quiet. No talking to crew in galley, or bar, so not no interaction. Not as much fun as used to be, but the views and the G&T are still good, and immigration quiet at Man, though to be honest its been like that since lock down.I flew throughout into Europe, and I am on nodding terms with immigration officers now, as I guess's very regular passenger stand out more when there are few other passengers.
Glad I am home !!
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Video says it all really doesn't it. I bet they would like to lock out a certain sections of the UK permanently, regardless of the drop in bar sales. I would not mind, but I have witnessed similar, though not as loud, and no car surfing, by a UK trade delegation in China some years ago after England won some football match, so it is not just teenagers who are that stupid !
Video says it all really doesn't it. I bet they would like to lock out a certain sections of the UK permanently, regardless of the drop in bar sales. I would not mind, but I have witnessed similar, though not as loud, and no car surfing, by a UK trade delegation in China some years ago after England won some football match, so it is not just teenagers who are that stupid !
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If you look at the countries where the virus is out of control like USA, Brasil, Mexico & India you could hardly blame air travel for making it worse. European countries that have seen recent spikes like Germany, Spain & UK are in places like meat processing. fruit picking or specific towns like Leicester. These spikes are small compared to the amount of daily cases being recorded in March & April. I think air travel is now probably safer than going to the pub, with many countries doing testing in varying degrees at airports, and insisting on face masks both in terminals and on aircraft.