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Old 24th Sep 2018, 15:07
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Originally Posted by LGS6753 View Post
The way they are going, I can see their fleet being parked up in a desert somewhere.
The way they are going????? In respect to what? I have a feeling this again is sour grapes as they do not fly from your favourite airport on the hill!
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 15:27
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nt639 -

Solid reasoning -

Multiple aircraft types
Too many small bases remote from each other (worse next year)
Over-rapid expansion
Lack of resilience causing sub-chartering or cancellations
No economies of scale vs. competitors
Lack of brand awareness

...would you like more?
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 15:34
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Does anybody know what the Primera fleet will be next summer?
x8 B738, x2 B737, x6 A321neo (if OY-PAB ever actually arrives, if not then x5), x2 A321neoLR (Maybe 3 if PAB's late delivery changes to an LR), and no more than x15 of the ordered 20 7M9's, however x20 will be in the fleet by November 2019.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 17:11
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Multiple aircraft types
Too many small bases remote from each other (worse next year)
Over-rapid expansion
Lack of resilience causing sub-chartering or cancellations
No economies of scale vs. competitors
Lack of brand awareness
Whilst I don't wholly disagree I would hardly describe that as "solid reasoning" and sure you would beckon them slightly more if they had chosen LTN - (It's alright, I'm only saying).

They have undoubtedly had issues and I'm sure anyone from BHX would be first to agree, however, where they're different from previous ventures is the aircraft. It's a game-changer for sure, make no mistake about that.

I too find their expansion quite fast paced yet often where others have failed is to some extent little direction and strategy, but fundamentally a simple case of a lack of aircraft and crewing. Of course there has been major issues with both this year, arguably outside their control to an extent, but they have a firm order book for a good number of aircraft in a relatively short time-frame. They're not expanding much over the winter, but all these new aircraft will need places to fly to next summer, and it's only a matter of time before others start laying on lots of new capacity with these aircraft types.

I think you can argue little with the strategy they're taking and it's a mass-market product, unlike the likes of MaxJet, Eos, SilverJet etc. They're establishing themselves quite firmly with a focus on primary routes/city pairs, a low-cost competitor to the traditional full-service carriers, where they can really showcase their aircraft as their key strength to a clear cost advantage. They're too already showing a disciplined approach to routes that aren't working, ie the initial winter schedule to/from Boston which has become a seasonal operation.

On the whole, I remain quietly optimistic about Primera and look forward to what the future maybe holds for them.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 17:37
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Originally Posted by LGS6753 View Post
nt639 -

Solid reasoning -

Multiple aircraft types
Too many small bases remote from each other (worse next year)
Over-rapid expansion
Lack of resilience causing sub-chartering or cancellations
No economies of scale vs. competitors
Lack of brand awareness

...would you like more?
yes main reason

Dont fly from LTN😜
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Old 25th Sep 2018, 10:49
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I suspect their aspirations couldn't be met from Luton's short runway. Nor is there sufficient capacity at present for a significant new operator, so there was never any chance of them using LTN.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 06:34
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So it appears rumours that we are signing an interline agreement with JetBlue might well be true?

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Old 26th Sep 2018, 07:09
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So it appears rumours that we are signing an interline agreement with JetBlue might well be true?

So the New York flights could be shifted to JFK then?
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 07:45
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Await further interline news/developments with interest...

It would be a very positive for PRI & would make perhaps their strategy clearer too with all the mainland announcements .

Would give JBU instant access to UK/Europe as their own fleet of A321LR`s someways off yet.

Co-incidental or not JBU stated recently they were looking at BOS to either LGW or STN as their first TATL .

Norwegian have sought to strike an agreement with JBU in the past but JBU were not talking.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 07:48
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Originally Posted by southside bobby View Post
Await further interline news/developments with interest...

It would be a very positive for PRI & would make perhaps their strategy clearer too with all the mainland announcements .

Would give JBU instant access to UK/Europe as their own fleet of A321LR`s someways off yet.

Co-incidental or not JBU stated recently they were looking at BOS to either LGW or STN as their first TATL .

Norwegian have sought to strike an agreement with JBU in the past but JBU were not talking.
I agree - potential game changer if it happens.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 08:12
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It would explain the Arctic explosion of new European bases popping up like mushrooms.
but let’s not get carried away, time will tell, fingers crossed.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 19:23
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So it appears rumours that we are signing an interline agreement with JetBlue might well be true?

Found this info, sounds 100 miles of how primera are doing things.

But JetBlue appears interested in taking on full-service airlines that offer business class across the Atlantic. JetBlue’s Mint business class offers lie-flat seats and suites with doors and higher-end food than the coach-class cabins where the airline sells meals.

“When we think about trans-Atlantic, we do think we can disrupt largely around a Mint-like product because we’ve been so successful on flying to the West Coast with Mint,” Geraghty said. A long-range variant of the Airbus A321 plane could do the job to Europe but JetBlue is weighing where to best deploy its fleet.


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Old 30th Sep 2018, 20:13
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It's been confirmed that OY-PAB, the 6th Airbus A321neo to be delivered, will no longer arrive due to some unspecified issue with the fuselage in the factory. It was originally supposed to be delivered in April 2018.
The airline has negotiated with airbus, and Primera will now receive an additional A321neoLR instead, bringing the airbus fleet to x5 Airbus 321neo, x3 Airbus 321neoLR.
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Old 30th Sep 2018, 21:35
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Originally Posted by USERNAME_ View Post
It's been confirmed that OY-PAB, the 6th Airbus A321neo to be delivered, will no longer arrive due to some unspecified issue with the fuselage in the factory. It was originally supposed to be delivered in April 2018.
The airline has negotiated with airbus, and Primera will now receive an additional A321neoLR instead, bringing the airbus fleet to x5 Airbus 321neo, x3 Airbus 321neoLR.
thats a bit of a result, give me a LR over the Standard neo.
any idea where the LR’s will be based ? And when they are due ?
also any news on Stansted summer 19 ?
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 09:03
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thats a bit of a result, give me a LR over the Standard neo.
any idea where the LR’s will be based ? And when they are due ?
also any news on Stansted summer 19 ?
Don’t quote me on it but I believe x1 in STN and x2 in CDG.

no news of the S19 schedule yet unfortunately. Rumour has it because they’re still negotiating some new routes and don’t want to release it until they’re all confirmed.
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 09:13
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Not wishing to reignite a wave of mockery, just curious- was the rumour about flights to SOU only ever a wind-up, or an actual rumour? If the latter, has any more been heard or is that particular rumour dead now?
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 09:39
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Wind-up
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 09:46
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Thanks for your helpful reply. I was more interested in hearing from the person who originally posted the rumour who actually works for the company, but I appreciate your assistance.
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 10:02
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Originally Posted by The Nutts Mutts View Post
Not wishing to reignite a wave of mockery, just curious- was the rumour about flights to SOU only ever a wind-up, or an actual rumour? If the latter, has any more been heard or is that particular rumour dead now?
I apologise that this was just a poor attempt at a wind up. The only other airport Primera are looking at is BRS but I’ve not posted that because as far as I’m aware that’s nothing more than a “crewmour”
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Old 1st Oct 2018, 10:21
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Fair enough, thanks for the clarification. I suspected as much but was keeping my fingers crossed just in case it wasn't!
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