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Old 10th Aug 2019, 14:40
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Originally Posted by GrahamK View Post
Summer sun could be a weekend service to Jersey?
But would bear no relation to the quoted 'Alicante' or 'Med'
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 15:08
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
So is there widespread local flooding, or just the usual places? Runway has only just been re-built so should have state of the art drainage - it's not like the Victorian infrastructure in the City
According to https://flood-warning-information.service.gov.uk/station/5183 the river Irthing is at the same level as the highest ever recorded by that station (2015 storm Desmond) so I'm not sure the water has anywhere to drain to. Carlisle flight training offices are flooded. Local roads are closed. If you do twitter try searching it for "A6071 Irthing Bridge". It looks to me as though local to the airport has been particularly badly hit.
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 15:47
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Have Loganair got a suitable aircraft to fly a Med. route and is the runway and terminal capable of handling a larger aircraft than those currently used?
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 15:52
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An EMB-145 could probably do the Med, Largest a/c is restricted to Bae.146 size by planning conditions.
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Old 10th Aug 2019, 23:19
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
An EMB-145 could probably do the Med, Largest a/c is restricted to Bae.146 size by planning conditions.
Given Embraer E170/175 etc and then the short take off performance of the A220, all in the samev' size range of the BAE146 / Rj100.
IF you recall Lcy started with Draconian restrictions, but as traffic and demand grew...
I don't see Planning depts objecting to flights bringing inward tourists or siding the local economy, besides isn't part of the usable strip painted out like , Oban?.

Also it's still longer than Vagar and that takes A319/A320 neo..
Suffers horrific weather , but before the extension, it was only 1299m , there are videos of smaller 737's and DC9 I think on you tube .

So there must be hope for CAX?


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Old 11th Aug 2019, 06:35
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I don't see Planning depts objecting to flights bringing inward tourists or siding the local economy,
Stobart faced years of legal challenge before getting permission to re-develop the airport - I doubt whether any planning change would go unchallenged.

Before we get too carried away, anybody got an example of when this model (regional airliner from small UK regional airport to the Med) has been successful?
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 07:35
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
anybody got an example of when this model (regional airliner from small UK regional airport to the Med) has been successful?
Depends what you interpret "regional airliner' and 'small UK regional airport' and remember the suggestion was of an initial charter arrangement, but both Isle of Man and Jersey have enjoyed yearly summer med flights on a short season charter basis.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 07:51
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Never thought of that - maybe I should have put "mainland UK"!

Airport open again this morning.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 09:25
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Closed again now
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 09:27
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Probably starting in the 1970s, summer schedules to the Isle of Man with DANAIR 748s, and Jersey with a Viscount.
A popular weekend seasonal service.

I see that ATC are still in the old VCR on the north side.
Are there any plans to transfer to the newly built facility on the south side ?
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 09:34
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They got a 12 month extension to use the old tower, as the new one was built with the windows without any angle, and they need to be replaced.
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 12:10
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They got a 12 month extension to use the old tower, as the new one was built with the windows without any angle, and they need to be replaced.
I would liked to have been a fly on the wall when the Aerodrome Inspector had his initial cosy chat with the airport management. He would have looked on in total disbrief when he first saw the new build.
A fundamental flaw demonstrating a total lack of understanding. Heads would undoubtedly have rolled?

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Old 11th Aug 2019, 19:23
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Lol. They built our lifeboat station at the end of Southend pier without angled glass. Seriously I’d bang my head on it in disbelief, but it would probably fall out
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Old 11th Aug 2019, 20:20
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Just why the CAA was not consulted as to the specifications has not been disclosed.
CAP168 is the starting point for Aerodrome construction & equipment
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 12:41
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Originally Posted by EGPO View Post
Given Embraer E170/175 etc and then the short take off performance of the A220, all in the samev' size range of the BAE146 / Rj100.
IF you recall Lcy started with Draconian restrictions, but as traffic and demand grew...
I don't see Planning depts objecting to flights bringing inward tourists or siding the local economy, besides isn't part of the usable strip painted out like , Oban?.

Also it's still longer than Vagar and that takes A319/A320 neo..
Suffers horrific weather , but before the extension, it was only 1299m , there are videos of smaller 737's and DC9 I think on you tube .

So there must be hope for CAX?
I would have thought that an E145 could get to the Mediterranean from CAX from a field-performance point of view (whether with a full pax load or not, I don't know).

The far bigger challenge would be the fare per seat which would have to be charged to make a profit on that size of aircraft on such a long sector, and the unfavourable comparisons it would draw with the fares on offer from A320/737 LCCs flying from bigger airports.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 14:13
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Exactly, and who would be interested in operating such a route?
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 15:46
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SWBKCB said:
An EMB-145 could probably do the Med, Largest a/c is restricted to Bae.146 size by planning conditions.
Could you post a link to this planning constraint, as I couldn't find it?
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 15:49
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It was in press reports a number of years ago.

Ther terminal certainly isn't configured for anything larger.
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Old 12th Aug 2019, 18:21
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Well if there is no current 'planning condition' (as you said originally), I expect that the media item may have been referring to the situation then imposed by the CAA with a restriction on the OLD runway, which off the top of my head was max size in the region of 12-13 Tonnes for commercial operations. But of course with the newly laid, and compliant runway, this will no longer apply, so larger aircraft can use CAX commercially.

Whether the terminal is up to it is a different question, but I do not see why the odd larger charter or two, or occasional diversion could not be coped with as it is, one at a time, and subject to the opening hours, IAPs etc.



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Old 13th Aug 2019, 06:23
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No - don't think it was an operational constraint, I'm sure it was a planning condition following one of the many legal challenges to the re-development. I suppose it may have been overturned at some point, but given the level of local opposition, I'd be surprised if it's gone unreported.
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