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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 14:10
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Originally Posted by ROC10 View Post
It looks like GLA and NCL will lose all of their w-patterns from ABZ next summer as these will no longer be needed with the addition of a based a/c at both. These included PMI on Tue and Sat, DLM on Thu and CFU on Fri.

After a quick look at the website, these flights are still showing as outward w-patterns from ABZ. I canít see where they are Ďw-ingí to at the moment but itís possible this hasnít been decided/updated yet. Perhaps some growth at other bases will come from the likes of this as opposed to additional based a/c.
Would that be BFS for the W's?
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 14:19
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Originally Posted by mart901 View Post
Would that be BFS for the W's?
Perhaps, the times for CFU and DLM do suggest ABZ-XXX-BFS-XXX-ABZ but neither of the Tuesday or Saturday Palma flights do.
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 14:33
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EDI-DLM receives an extra weekly flight taking it from 2x weekly to 3x weekly, flights will be on another airline and it will be away based.
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 18:11
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I wonder how quickly TUI will return to SSH now that UK Gov have lifted ban? I remember the waves of TUI flights arriving from LGW, MAN, LUT, STN, BHX, & BRS. Always popular. With the extra UK boarder security working in HUG it was only time before SSH came up to speed.
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 18:47
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Originally Posted by pabely View Post
I wonder how quickly TUI will return to SSH now that UK Gov have lifted ban? I remember the waves of TUI flights arriving from LGW, MAN, LUT, STN, BHX, & BRS. Always popular. With the extra UK boarder security working in HUG it was only time before SSH came up to speed.
According to travel press they will definitely do it, but does not give estimated start date
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 18:51
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Originally Posted by pabely View Post
I wonder how quickly TUI will return to SSH now that UK Gov have lifted ban? I remember the waves of TUI flights arriving from LGW, MAN, LUT, STN, BHX, & BRS. Always popular. With the extra UK boarder security working in HUG it was only time before SSH came up to speed.
TUI flew 2x a week to SSH along with TCX from Newcastle aswell. It was a popular place i flew there on G-CPEU from NCL on TOM859 when it was still in First Choice colours and cream leather interior! Good times.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 00:25
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Originally Posted by ROC10 View Post
So far I make the changes to be:

Short-haul a/c

BRS +2
GLA +1 (plus potential full time 787?)
NCL +1
DSA +1
BHX +1 (?)
BOH +0.4 approx
EXT +0.4 approx
LGW/MAN ??
Other bases ??

With regards to the BOH/EXT increases, I have not personally checked the website, but have read from others that each bases will see an additional a/c 3 days per week. Originally the plan seemed to be that BOH would take a LTN a/c from Fri-Sun. Provided this is still the case, perhaps EXT will take one of the extra BRS a/c from Mon-Wed? Another possibility is that one a/c is used exclusively for the BOH/EXT increases, moving between the two bases.

Please correct me or fill in the gaps in my knowledge by addressing the question marked areas above or any other points people have picked up.
BHX should be a 10 aircraft base for Summer 2020, 9 short haul, and 1 787 long haul, up one extra aircraft.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 06:44
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If TUI do not have the MAX back then any flying program (which was large) from UK to SSH next year then they do not have enough a/c to do this as yet.
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 22:21
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Skiathos

I've justed noticed that TUI have added flights to Antalya, Herakleion and Skiathos from EMA for summer 2020 , with various other increases on other routes too. Could this be an extra based frame? And sorry if it sounds like a silly question but can a 738 do EMA to JSI direct?
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 06:15
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Originally Posted by craigyton2 View Post
I've justed noticed that TUI have added flights to Antalya, Herakleion and Skiathos from EMA for summer 2020 , with various other increases on other routes too. Could this be an extra based frame? And sorry if it sounds like a silly question but can a 738 do EMA to JSI direct?
A 738 can do JSI direct from anywhere in the UK - It is the return out of JSI that is MTOW limited due to short field length.
The 757's can get back without a stop but A321's and 738's need to drink on the way home and will stop at CFU KVA SKG Volos Pula DBV and PVZ amongst places to take on fuel.
They can do non-stop back to UK with a lower payload such as early season when flights are not full on the way home.
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 09:01
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Originally Posted by rog747 View Post
A 738 can do JSI direct from anywhere in the UK - It is the return out of JSI that is MTOW limited due to short field length.
The 757's can get back without a stop but A321's and 738's need to drink on the way home and will stop at CFU KVA SKG Volos Pula DBV and PVZ amongst places to take on fuel.
They can do non-stop back to UK with a lower payload such as early season when flights are not full on the way home.
TUI have used the 738 to JSI from LGW, LTN and BRS without having to stop on the way home. From what I can remember, MAN and BHX have always used the 757 and will probably continue to do so. With regards to EMA (and I think JSI has also been added from NCL?), Iím not sure whether the 738 would be able to make it back non-stop. Either there will be a tech stop or they may use the 757 on a w-pattern from elsewhere.
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 12:00
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I think then the 738 must have the edge now on taking higher payloads out of JSI v the Airbus (or the 737 flights you mentioned were not full)
Also the Airbus has different performances whether it is CFM or IAE engines.

Enter Air 738's do stop on the way back to LGW but this maybe due to a split load at volos or lemnos (Sunvil Holidays own charters)

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Old 25th Oct 2019, 19:12
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Thanks for that guys. I'm not sure my self if a 738 could do JSI to EMA non stop. I wonder if a W pattern on a 757 my be possible? Maybe a BHX based frame?. Probably too early to tell .
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Old 25th Oct 2019, 20:46
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Originally Posted by craigyton2 View Post
Thanks for that guys. I'm not sure my self if a 738 could do JSI to EMA non stop. I wonder if a W pattern on a 757 my be possible? Maybe a BHX based frame?. Probably too early to tell .
After a quick check of the online TUI timetable, none of next year’s JSI flights are w-patterns. Timings also suggest return flights are non-stop.

LGW, STN, BRS and BOH should all be fine on the 738. I’m assuming MAN and BHX will continue on the 757. I’m no expert but EMA may well be fine too? NCL is where I’m more unsure. I’m sure someone with more knowledge will enlighten us as to what’s (im)possible.
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 00:04
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Originally Posted by ROC10 View Post


After a quick check of the online TUI timetable, none of next yearís JSI flights are w-patterns. Timings also suggest return flights are non-stop.

LGW, STN, BRS and BOH should all be fine on the 738. Iím assuming MAN and BHX will continue on the 757. Iím no expert but EMA may well be fine too? NCL is where Iím more unsure. Iím sure someone with more knowledge will enlighten us as to whatís (im)possible.
if they are planned on the max aircraft which come with SFP as standard now then they could make it no problem but that would depend on the max - only other way would be if they have some 800ís with the short field performance installed. I know it was standard after a certain line number but not sure.
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 05:30
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As we know the MAX was destined to replace the 757 on TUI's routes such as this and JTR for instance, and the likes of Banjul, Cape Verde and Egypt (+ SSH makes a come back)

After reading the Lion Air MAX crash report yesterday I am not at all sure we will see the MAX back in time for Summer 2020.

Just my tuppence...
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 10:44
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It looks like the winter TFS-based aircraft is returning this year, and with the new season approaching I thought I'd try to see where it will be flying to/from.

From looking at the online timetables, this is what it appears to be operating:
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Mon: CWL
Tue: DSA
Wed: ABZ
Thur: NWI
Fri: MAN
Sat:
Sun: ABZ
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 11:09
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Originally Posted by ROC10 View Post


After a quick check of the online TUI timetable, none of next year’s JSI flights are w-patterns. Timings also suggest return flights are non-stop.

LGW, STN, BRS and BOH should all be fine on the 738. I’m assuming MAN and BHX will continue on the 757. I’m no expert but EMA may well be fine too? NCL is where I’m more unsure. I’m sure someone with more knowledge will enlighten us as to what’s (im)possible.
The 11 x 757's were due to go during or after this winter, seems from jethros TUI have now extended their leases again to cover the 9 MAX groundings and TCK closure
1 x 757 went for freighter conversion this week.

the 2 x 767's remain in the fleet
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 11:32
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Airfield opening hours mean itís nearly impossible to run a U.K.-JSI w pattern.
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 12:03
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Originally Posted by rog747 View Post
The 11 x 757's were due to go during or after this winter, seems from jethros TUI have now extended their leases again to cover the 9 MAX groundings and TCK closure
1 x 757 went for freighter conversion this week.

the 2 x 767's remain in the fleet
The info on Jethros isnít and wasnít quite correct, not all of the 757s were due to leave this Winter in any plan, and BYAW is owned so hasnít got a lease to extend.

The 757 exit plan hasnít been made public since the MAX grounding, however I think it would be fairly suicidal to be disposing of a fully crewed fleet of serviceable aircraft whilst the MAX still doesnít have a return to service date (or the confidence of crew and passengers), and an expansion of 10-11 lines of flying is planned for next Summer.
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