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Old 16th Apr 2019, 15:06
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New route boh to zante

increased frequency boh to corfu (1 to 2 weekly)
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 19:48
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Originally Posted by FR8364 View Post
It seems TUI is dropping contract with Norwegian. Loads of flights base LGW in the beginning scheduled to operate by Norwegian (D8), now appearing as Thomson Airways (BY) in the last days.

I wonder how TUI will manage this fleet issue, absorbing D8 flights as well as 737 MAX grounding...
The flights will still be operated by Norwegian, theyíre just changing the code and flight numbers. Probably a Brexit related issue
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 20:10
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I have been looking at some flights from Greece to UK and although the Tui site during booking does not specify what aircraft is being used,apart from 787 cases, i was wondering when it's denoted with "extra-legroom" seats as opposed to not saying anything at all, are we to assume that the first case concerns 757 and 767 a/c but the latter just 738s?
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 20:17
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Originally Posted by mariofly12 View Post
I have been looking at some flights from Greece to UK and although the Tui site during booking does not specify what aircraft is being used,apart from 787 cases, i was wondering when it's denoted with "extra-legroom" seats as opposed to not saying anything at all, are we to assume that the first case concerns 757 and 767 a/c but the latter just 738s?
The 737s do have extra legroom seats i believe as they are offered on CWL flights which is all 737.
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 21:11
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Dreamliner Changes Summer 20

Looks as if BRS will have a B787 based full time in Summer 20 operating the following departures:

Mon
0600 LPA
1645 BOJ

Tue
0930 CUN

Wed
0910 PMI
1510 DLM

Thu
1215 SFB

Fri
0945 CUN

Sat
0925 PMI
1655 DLM

Sun
0705 HER
1730 AYT

Positive gain for BRS but with only actually 3 long-haul a week (1 SFB and 2 CUN), I can't help but feel this is a bit of a wasted use for the B787. I can see the justification for the odd short-haul maybe from the likes of LGW or MAN to fill in any gaps between long-haul rotations or positioners between bases.

I don't wish to start any airport battles, but I do find it rather unreal that long-haul from the likes of STN and EMA has been canned in favour of long-haul from DSA and flying a B787 mid-week from BRS to Spain!
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 21:37
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Originally Posted by FRatSTN View Post
Looks as if BRS will have a B787 based full time in Summer 20 operating the following departures:

Mon
0600 LPA
1645 BOJ

Tue
0930 CUN

Wed
0910 PMI
1510 DLM

Thu
1215 SFB

Fri
0945 CUN

Sat
0925 PMI
1655 DLM

Sun
0705 HER
1730 AYT

Positive gain for BRS but with only actually 3 long-haul a week (1 SFB and 2 CUN), I can't help but feel this is a bit of a wasted use for the B787. I can see the justification for the odd short-haul maybe from the likes of LGW or MAN to fill in any gaps between long-haul rotations or positioners between bases.

I don't wish to start any airport battles, but I do find it rather unreal that long-haul from the likes of STN and EMA has been canned in favour of long-haul from DSA and flying a B787 mid-week from BRS to Spain!
might they use an short haul configured frame likey they usually have 2 each summer. The 787 in all economy would still be able to do CUN and SFB in all economy. I canít think theyíd need the premium seats at BRS. Then they have the capacity for the short haul routes as well? I might be way off but just a thought
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 21:56
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TUI have decided to base a 787 all week at BRS in Summer 2020, up from 5x days a week in summer 2019. Some have questioned why they are basing one there, especially when it is planned to operate so many short-haul flights.

I wasn't sure as to how TUI utilise their 787 fleet, and how many short-haul flights TUI operate on their 787s in comparison to long-haul. It turns out over a ľ of the 787 fleet operate short-haul flights each week in the summer months.
Below is a summary of how TUI uses their 787s across it's network in August 2019 (before the MAX crisis hit)...

TUI has a fleet of 12x 787s (8x 787-8s and 4x 787-9s) in 2019.
11x aircraft are needed for the weekly schedule in August 2019, with 1x spare.
5x are required at LGW
3x are required at MAN
1x is required at BHX
2x are required between:​
BRS (5x days a week)​
GLA (2/4x days a week - alternates each week with NCL)​
NCL (2/4x days a week - alternates each week with GLA)​
EMA (2x days a week)​
DSA (1x day a week)​

The only airports that the 787 operate shorthaul flights are LGW, MAN and BRS.
Out of the 5x aircraft required at LGW, most days require 3x to operate the long-haul schedule and 2x to operate the short-haul schedule. However a Tuesday sees 1x aircraft operate long-haul and 4x operate short-haul.
Out of the 3x aircraft required at MAN, most days require 2x to operate the long-haul schedule and 1x to operate the short-haul schedule. However a Monday sees 1x aircraft operate long-haul and 2x operate short-haul.
The BHX aircraft only operates long-haul flights, operating every day.
The BRS aircraft operates 2x days long-haul and 3x days short-haul.

TUI clearly is happy to use their 787s on short-haul flights more than people might think, with a ľ or more of their 787 fleet operating short-haul flights each week from LGW, MAN and BRS throughout summer 2019.

When it comes to numbers; TUI can operate 2x short-haul flights each day instead of 1x long-haul flight. I don't know the exact figures, but I'm sure a 787 full of long-haul punters doesn't make double the income for TUI than a 787 full of short-haul punters, which it can operate twice a day?

Clearly the bean counters see a good reason to use the 787s on so many short-haul flights!

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Old 16th Apr 2019, 22:04
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Originally Posted by azz767 View Post
I canít think theyíd need the premium seats at BRS.
Bristol and its hinterland is one of the wealthiest and economically vibrant city regions in the country with plenty of well-off people, often older and retired, with the means, desire and time to travel for leisure. This was one of the reasons why GoFly chose BRS as their second base - vide Barbara Cassani in her book - and easyJet has seen continual growth there since buying Go.

BRS's outperformance is by coincidence being discussed in the Bristol Airport thread today.

In summer 2019 a TUI B787 will operate these routes from BRS.

Tue CUN
Wed DLM
Thur DBV/LCA
Fri SFB
Sat CUN

So summer 2020 will not be the first year that a B787 will operate short-haul routes from the airport. It might be partly down to fewer available seats on the narrow-bodied aircraft given that the airport's two based B757s are being withdrawn leaving it with four B738s instead of two B757s and two B738s as has been the case in recent summers.


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Old 16th Apr 2019, 22:55
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 23:02
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 View Post
The 737s do have extra legroom seats i believe as they are offered on CWL flights which is all 737.
It is not stated during booking on all flights,so i assumed where it's not a 737 is operated,otherwise what is the difference where it s stated and where it isnt?
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Old 16th Apr 2019, 23:18
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Originally Posted by mariofly12 View Post
It is not stated during booking on all flights,so i assumed where it's not a 737 is operated,otherwise what is the difference where it s stated and where it isnt?
Perhaps itís not shown when the extra legroom seats sell out? In my experience they sell quickly.
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 20:05
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Perhaps itís not shown when the extra legroom seats sell out? In my experience they sell quickly.
I believe CWL is getting a sub chartered B737 for some of the summer which maybe why extra legroom isnít showing
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 22:58
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The flights i was looking were out of LGW,MAN though..
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Old 17th Apr 2019, 23:42
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Originally Posted by mariofly12 View Post
The flights i was looking were out of LGW,MAN though..
As I said, Iím pretty sure the reason these wonít be showing is that the extra legroom seats have already sold (there arenít many on 738 flights). Or it could also be a possibility that these flights may be on leased aircraft (I donít believe we yet know what their plans are regarding additional summer leases are for MAX cover).
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 11:01
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Jethro's is saying that TUI is leasing 3xA321 from Olympus Airways. That will be based at Manchester from End Apr 2019 - Mid July 2019.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 11:02
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Originally Posted by ROC10 View Post


As I said, I’m pretty sure the reason these won’t be showing is that the extra legroom seats have already sold (there aren’t many on 738 flights). Or it could also be a possibility that these flights may be on leased aircraft (I don’t believe we yet know what their plans are regarding additional summer leases are for MAX cover).

Per jethros as of only a few minutes ago, 3 A321's from Greek Airline Olympus will be leased in from the end of this month until mid July (a sign of the MAX return date?). 2 to be based at BHX and the remaining one at MAN. Whether this is it for leasing in or more need to be sourced I don't know but its the first news of full time leasing for the summer rather than just sporadic leasing for one or two flights. This could explain the MAN extra legroom question and makes me think maybe more a/c will be coming in for other bases which could answer LGW.

On the Olympus frames, 2 are former MON a/c ex G-MARA and ex G-OJEG

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Old 18th Apr 2019, 14:45
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Per jethros as of only a few minutes ago, 3 A321's from Greek Airline Olympus - - -

On the Olympus frames, 2 are former MON a/c ex G-MARA and ex G-OJEG
I love Irony. Wonder if they still sport the 50/50 Monarch/Olympus livery.
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Old 18th Apr 2019, 14:51
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I love Irony. Wonder if they still sport the 50/50 Monarch/Olympus livery.
I think they still do, recent photos of both suggest so. Meaning there will be two hybrid MON schemes flying from BHX and MAN with the TCX ones as well
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 08:23
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When does TUI release their Summer 2020 full-flying programme officially?
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 11:05
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