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Old 12th May 2019, 00:01
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LOL! Its the old grandeur above station again that leads to this..��
You been drinking? Maybe I’m naive after 15 years on here; however, can you explain to me the direct relevance of what carrier is using what aircraft FROM MANCHESTER TO AMERICA to this thread?

I like reading about Edinburgh and its routes etc on the Edinburgh thread. Were I to be interested in another airport, I would read the relevant thread. Apologies for my grandeur above station. I’m also a stickler for apostrophes. Maybe use one the next time you’re abbreviating “it” and “is” to “it’s”. Cheers!
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Old 12th May 2019, 15:03
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It’s relevant only that it’s correcting erroneous information posted on this particular thread by others .


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Old 12th May 2019, 17:47
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Originally Posted by cuthere View Post


You been drinking? Maybe I’m naive after 15 years on here; however, can you explain to me the direct relevance of what carrier is using what aircraft FROM MANCHESTER TO AMERICA to this thread?

I like reading about Edinburgh and its routes etc on the Edinburgh thread. Were I to be interested in another airport, I would read the relevant thread. Apologies for my grandeur above station. I’m also a stickler for apostrophes. Maybe use one the next time you’re abbreviating “it” and “is” to “it’s”. Cheers!
The reference was to the usual EDI posters claiming EDI is entitled to widebodies on a par with MAN.
If I want a grammar lesson, it most certainly "wont" be from you.
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Old 12th May 2019, 17:50
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If I want a grammar lesson, it most certainly "wont" be from you.
LOL! Anyway, back to EDI... What about this HA debacle?
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Old 12th May 2019, 19:17
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LOL! Anyway, back to EDI... What about this HA debacle?
HU.

HA is Hawaiian.
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Old 12th May 2019, 20:15
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Could be switching to summer seasonal, could be completely suspended. Seems like management don't even know.

A quote from this article: Scotland’s direct air link to China faces axe

Edinburgh Airport said it was waiting to hear from the airline whether flights would resume next summer.
A spokesman said: “We understand this is a suspension of the route over the winter. We’re bitterly disappointed and there will be no let-up in our efforts to maintain Scotland’s only direct link to China and the Far East – but having the most expensive aviation tax in the world doesn’t help.”
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Old 13th May 2019, 09:11
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Just looking at LHR-EDI mid August - almost all the flights "only have 3/4/6 tickets left"

Is this real and if so is it always like this???

And it's £ 170++ one way..............
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Old 13th May 2019, 09:25
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Edinburgh Festival?
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Old 13th May 2019, 09:54
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Originally Posted by ld0595 View Post
Could be switching to summer seasonal, could be completely suspended. Seems like management don't even know.

A quote from this article: Scotland’s direct air link to China faces axe
The Chinese tour operator CAISA will be bank rolling the operation, if CAISA aren't happy with take up on PEK/EDI they will consolidate their bookings on to PEK/MAN. If they want to give EDI another crack they'll possibly resume for summer, perhaps just peak summer, 2020.

BHX managed 2 season with CAISA before Hainan / CAISA jumped into bed with MAN and there is now hardly even a slim chance that there'll be a direct PEK/BHX in the medium term. Sadly same may well happen with EDI. Whatever, the real high revenue business traffic will continue to reside in the UK where it always has done - London; home of the largest number of billionaires of any global city - according the the Sunday Times Rich List.
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Old 13th May 2019, 11:13
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Is the fact that the Dublin to Shenzhen route is continuing the key? For business traffic a route to South China would surely have been better.
I do notice that the HU route to Oslo continues. Perhaps EDI as an extension of that would be better.
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Old 13th May 2019, 11:29
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What I would really, really like to know (but never will) is whether various services that run for a while then stop are attracted by sweetheart deals, discounts, marketing support etc and when that runs out the route doesn't prove to be viable. And another thing, it is time that Scottish airport managements stopped going on about APD. It's not going to go away, it's not going to be reduced (manifesto or no manifesto) and businesses need to plan on that basis. I will, however, accept complaints about the Brexit omnishambles.
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Old 13th May 2019, 11:59
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Perhaps EDI as an extension of that would be better.
Why? I doubt the inbound Chinese tourist really cares (if they've committed to what might be a double drop) whether its OSL or DUB.
If it is prestige Chinese business EDI are after, this is the wrong airline/product, wrong frequency and needs (always) to be direct.
Cathay Pacific 4-5 times per week, A35G, direct to HKG would have a far better chance. Much nicer product, well known, redivert some LHR OW connections. Would be surprised to see this happen though in current climate. If there were indeed generous incentives for HA could there be for others?
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Old 13th May 2019, 12:41
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When I saw that the flight was feeding two airports at this end I feared the worst. On a lot of routes from Europe to Africa that's what happened when the bigger modern jets arrived with passengers on the second drop having over an hour added to their journey times each way. Very few local passengers used the flight to/from the second airport, it was mostly business people and oil workers plus lots of oilfied cargo.
It also meant that the return overnight flights missed the early connections to places like Dublin, Edinburgh etc leading to more lost time.
The Chinese travellers probably get put off as well if the flight does not go directly to their chosen destination.
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Old 13th May 2019, 21:02
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When I saw that the flight was feeding two airports at this end I feared the worst. On a lot of routes from Europe to Africa that's what happened when the bigger modern jets arrived with passengers on the second drop having over an hour added to their journey times each way. Very few local passengers used the flight to/from the second airport, it was mostly business people and oil workers plus lots of oilfied cargo.
It also meant that the return overnight flights missed the early connections to places like Dublin, Edinburgh etc leading to more lost time.
The Chinese travellers probably get put off as well if the flight does not go directly to their chosen destination.
Why does everyone keep fixating on the fact its a double drop? Just book on the days it operates directly to/from EDI! I'm pretty sure the vast majority of passengers managed to work that one out. Only those desperate to get to EDI on the days it operates PEK-DUB-EDI would book on that flight, and even then they probably got there quicker than connecting at a hub.
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Old 13th May 2019, 21:42
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Originally Posted by nighthawk117 View Post
Why does everyone keep fixating on the fact its a double drop? Just book on the days it operates directly to/from EDI! I'm pretty sure the vast majority of passengers managed to work that one out. Only those desperate to get to EDI on the days it operates PEK-DUB-EDI would book on that flight, and even then they probably got there quicker than connecting at a hub.
Why bother at all with it then?
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Old 14th May 2019, 11:53
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As for the United / Delta examples - i'm not convinced. Look at Manchester, with its much larger catchment, yet it's still narrowbody central to the US. With the exception of the United flight which upgraded this year, it's all 757s. These aircraft are perfect for operating flights to the UK, freeing up widebodies for flights further in to Europe.
Not quite, the Delta JV has seen Virgin having a B744 / A330 base which is now the same size as Gatwick. American fly the A332 on PHL leaving United with a seasonal B757 / B767 mix.
But yes, fair point about the inbound passenger profile.

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Old 14th May 2019, 12:08
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post
leaving United with s seasonal B757 / B767 mix.
When is the 757 next planned for UA from MAN?
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Old 14th May 2019, 12:11
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Old 14th May 2019, 16:44
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Why bother at all with it then?
I can only think that the Chinese tourists are on a two-centre holiday to both Scotland and Ireland. It makes no sense to the ordinary traveller.
Has anyone noticed how slack is the schedule? It's allowed 10 hours and 50 minutes eastbound, AIRC, but usually takes just 9, arriving in Beijing about 3am.
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Old 16th May 2019, 11:28
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Any clever people calculated the approx loads for PEK and DOH from the latest CAA stats?
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