Edinburgh-3

[SWBKCB]

Assumes the Americans will be happy with an EU airline operating UK-USA. Has there been any aviation agreements finalised?

[Porrohman]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Assumes the Americans will be happy with an EU airline operating UK-USA. Has there been any aviation agreements finalised?

Aer Lingus operates from Belfast City to Edinburgh, LHR and Exeter so there must either be some pre-existing agreement that allows them to operate from the UK post Brexit or they perhaps intend to establish a UK subsidiary? IAG's UK subsidiary is, of course, "London" Airways but perhaps union agreements / tax rules / other factors favour establishment of an Aer Lingus subsidiary in the UK to operate any routes from outside London?

Unless there's another explanation?

[CabinCrewe]

operating via Stobart franchise out of BFS and not necessarily based EU aircraft, will be different to a mainline based EU EI aircraft in the UK operating to US i would imagine.

[Plane mad 134]

BA and BA CityFlyer have updated their schedule for October now.

BA CityFlyer - Currently 6x weekly (No Sat flight).

Due to go 10x weekly from 21st of September (2x flights on Mon-Thu and 1x on Fri and Sun).

Then goes 15x weekly from the 5th of October with one of the night stoppers returning between Monday and Thursday. (3x flights Mon-Thu, 2x on Fri and 1x on Sun).

Schedule hasn't been updated for the winter season.


BA - Flights are currently operating 18x weekly (3x flights on Mon/Thu/Fri/Sun, 2x on Tue/Wed/Sat).

This will increase to 31x weekly from the 1st of October (5x flights on Mon/Thu/Fri/Sun, 4x flights on Tue and Wed and 3x flights on a Sat).

Schedule hasn't been updated for the end of October, but the flights are due to go 6x daily from the 25th of October. Further changes likely.

[CabinCrewe]

31 weekly in October seems very ambitious based on current loads.
’Further changes likely’ is most definitely true.

[Albert Hall]

Domestics are busy and much of it is international transfer traffic. If you are going long haul then transferring through LHR adds little or no risk to your journey versus AMS or CDG or many other intermediate points where added self isolation rules might apply based on your transit point alone.

[CabinCrewe]

I doubt the discussed BACF flights are full of international transfer traffic...

[A350Saltire]

Originally Posted by CabinCrewe

I doubt the discussed BACF flights are full of international transfer traffic...

Except 31x weekly is BA to LHR as stated. BACF are planning for a much lower frequency.

[Sk1schoolsam]

Emirates

Appears that EK now cancelled until April 21, certainly going by the booking app, expect it to show soon on Airline routes. Another blow to the limping airport.

[tictack67]

Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam

Appears that EK now cancelled until April 21, certainly going by the booking app, expect it to show soon on Airline routes. Another blow to the limping airport.

Not just Edinburgh that is suffering the hit mate, not sure of your motivation for describing it as "limping".

LGW lost their entire BA short haul network, Glasgow lost all direct USA flights. At least Turkish are still going and Qatar. Brother flew back to Tokyo with Finnair from Edinburgh via Helsinki which was on an A321. so still good connections.

Probably wise of EK to consolidate, might struggle to fill A380 in winter from Scotland

[willy wombat]

I get the impression that EDI is doing better than many.

[helipixman]

I am wondering are there many planes stored at Edinburgh during the pandemic or have they out priced themselves ? The reason I ask, I have just flown in and out of Glasgow and yesterday there were at least 17 British Airways Airbus aircraft tightly parked around the airport. Glasgow making some money and utilising parts of the airport ! Are Edinburgh doing the same ?

[GAXLN]

Originally Posted by helipixman

I am wondering are there many planes stored at Edinburgh during the pandemic or have they out priced themselves ? The reason I ask, I have just flown in and out of Glasgow and yesterday there were at least 17 British Airways Airbus aircraft tightly parked around the airport. Glasgow making some money and utilising parts of the airport ! Are Edinburgh doing the same ?

Glasgow has the significant advantage of BA Maintenance facilities so their local engineers can ensure the Airbuses are maintained in tip top condition whilst stored.

[SWBKCB]

I am wondering are there many planes stored at Edinburgh during the pandemic or have they out priced themselves ?

Does EDI have much space for storage - until recently exec a/c had to position out rather than ONS. GAXLN has got it right on GLA. Not every decision comes down to price.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by helipixman

I am wondering are there many planes stored at Edinburgh during the pandemic or have they out priced themselves ? The reason I ask, I have just flown in and out of Glasgow and yesterday there were at least 17 British Airways Airbus aircraft tightly parked around the airport. Glasgow making some money and utilising parts of the airport ! Are Edinburgh doing the same ?

BA are using Glasgow as it's the home of A320 maintenance, likewise Cardiff had 15 B747-400s in care of the engineers there.

[Porrohman]

The only aircraft currently stored at EDI is a Norwegian B737max and that's not out of choice.

Jet2 have four based B738s and usually operate less than one return flight per day per aircraft. By basing four aircraft it means that each can fly several times per week which saves the costs of maintenance that would be necessary if some of these airframes were put into storage.

easyJet and Ryanair both have eight based aircraft and Loganair has three. They also have lots of slack in their schedules but this arrangement keeps all these aicraft airworthy and gives plenty of cover for delays and any aircraft that goes unserviceable.

I reckon there are about ten more aircraft based at EDI than are needed to operate all of the currently scheduled flights but none are in storage because they all fly regularly, albeit at much lower utilisation rates than they did pre-COVID-19.

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by tictack67

Not just Edinburgh that is suffering the hit mate, not sure of your motivation for describing it as "limping".

LGW lost their entire BA short haul network, Glasgow lost all direct USA flights. At least Turkish are still going and Qatar. Brother flew back to Tokyo with Finnair from Edinburgh via Helsinki which was on an A321. so still good connections.

Probably wise of EK to consolidate, might struggle to fill A380 in winter from Scotland

No motivation behind the comment except for expression of disparity at how the airline industry and EDI airport has been devastated by the COVID fallout and appalling Government policies.

Hopefully the frequencies will start to pick up later in the year but I see that Turkish and Qatar are reducing their frequencies over the next 2 months. Don’t think EDI will get any US flights till next spring earliest.

Japan via Helsinki is my favourite route to/ from Tokyo but not knowing which country will be added to the list next it was safer to book the connect through London this time round with BA, and cheaper.

[Rutan16]

In the last few weeks Tui UK finally repatriated the Tenerife Max into Birmingham so I am surprised the Norwegian remains at Edinburgh right now .

[wub]

My Qatar flights to Singapore and back in November have, unsurprisingly, been cancelled.

[Porrohman]

Originally Posted by Rutan16

In the last few weeks Tui UK finally repatriated the Tenerife Max into Birmingham so I am surprised the Norwegian remains at Edinburgh right now .

The Norwegian Max is getting regular maintenance at EDI. Each time it's powered up, it reports a destination of Vladivostok to FR24. Obviously, it's not going there. Presumably engineers have just selected a random destination while they run their regular checks;
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ei-fye

There are ways to ferry the 737max with flaps extended, at lower speed and altitude, with specially trained crew and other safety measures but I doubt that Norwegian would want to go to that expense with no firm date for re-entry into service. The maintenance and parking fees are presumably being paid by Boeing.