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Old 24th Apr 2019, 10:52
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The EMA-INV will also allow flights to connect onto Stornoway, Benbecula, Kirkwall and Sumburgh and v.v.

Connections to and from the midlands that have been lacking since the BE franchise ended.
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 11:14
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount View Post
i too have slight concern about picking up routes that caused BMI to fail. However EMA INV might just be a useful positioning or ferry route which coincidentally carries passengers. Any more expansion into weird thin routes and I might be concerned.
Still surprised no competition on GLA-LHR which outwith offpeak is full constantly. Some of the BE EDI-LHRs run half empty from personal experience
Being a sister company of BM, they will have had access to Info on how profitable each route was. I suspect LM are only picking up the ex BM routes that were profitable.
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 12:04
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EMA-INV is not that weird if a route to run, it was just fine on an FR 738 so an ERJ145 should be fine. I believe the reason it was cut the first time was the poor short field performance of earlier 738s causing seats to be blocked out.
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 12:19
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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal View Post
Is anyone else concerned about Loganairs rate of expansion? I mean i'm all for growth but I just don't want it to come at the expense of the airlines very survival. I can think of much better routes than EMA-INV to get onto. Why no LHR to UK/Scottish domestics? Why is Flybe being given preferential treatment with LHR???
Because Flybe have the slots...
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 19:51
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I always found strange, and still am, the flights from bristol to FRA, CDG, MUC and others to Europe previously operated by Flybmi, was never resumed by Loganair or another company. Bristol is left with a gap but nobody seems to fill it up.
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 20:26
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With Bristol isnít it a catchment thatís got used to cheap fares and baulks at having to pay the Ďproperí price?

It was very often £200 cheaper for me to drive to Inverness to catch the EZY than catch a BMI to BRS from ABZ
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 20:46
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provisional reviews of some Loganair fares generally don't look desperately appealing. I think price is the first thing punters consider now and look elsewhere very quickly if not immediately reeled in.
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 22:56
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Loganair are never going to lead on price, itís not possible with the niche point to point markets they fly in.
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Old 24th Apr 2019, 23:03
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The aircraft they operate dictates the price too, possibly even more so than the markets they operate into. They need to be super careful they donít over extend themselves
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 12:03
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Originally Posted by LesPretend View Post
With Bristol isn’t it a catchment that’s got used to cheap fares and baulks at having to pay the ‘proper’ price?

It was very often £200 cheaper for me to drive to Inverness to catch the EZY than catch a BMI to BRS from ABZ
Two of the three main bmi regional/flybmi routes from BRS were to Frankfurt and Munich, with Lufthansa code share in the latter years on both. Both routes had seen rising passenger numbers each year since their inception: FRA's first full year in 2014 saw over 29,000 which had risen to over 53,000 in 2018. MUC rose from 18,000 in 2014 to 48,000 in 2015. We don't know how many of these were p2p or how many flew on with Lufthansa 'main line'. Neither do we know how well flybmi did out of the deal.

The loads on FRA and MUC were probably above the airline's average, although looking back over 20 years under various ownerships bmir/flybmi's annual load factor was never more than 62%. Most years it ranged between 54% and 59%. Ironically, the Bristol region is probably one of the few city regions in the country served by a small airport that could potentially sustain the high fares that bmir/flybmi usually charged on most of its routes, but it would seem that was not enough. That said, the region still loses a lot of travellers to LHR even on routes served from BRS but which might sometimes have poorer frequencies/timings.

The other main flybi route from BRS was Brussels, latterly as a code share with Brussels Airlines and before that on behalf of Brussels Airlines. As far back as last autumn the Brussels Airlines booking engine indicated a change from the end of March this year with AR8 equipment replacing the small EJets operated by flybmi. It was presumed that the aircraft would be those of CityJet. Brussels is currently not operating at all from BRS and the AR8 start date has been pushed back twice to September this year.

flybmi also operated to Paris CDG, Hamburg and Dusseldorf from Bristol with, usually, high fares and no more than average loads for the airline on the latter two. We don't know about CDG because easyJet also operates to there and in fact is doubling its frequency to 14 x weekly this summer. HAM has an Airbus and Imperial Tobacco connection between the two ends of the route but easyJet tried it a over decade ago and it didn't work for them. DUS has had Ryanair to Cologne as a near competitor in the past year or so. An earlier flybmi route to Milan MXP has been taken up by easyJet and Ryanair from this summer.

I've set this out in some detail because it shows part of what Loganair might have considered if they seriously mused over BRS, and they would be in a better position to judge than anyone having operated the routes through a sister company.

The only flybmi BRS route that Loganair has taken on is Aberdeen. HAM, DUS and CDG might not be seen as viable partly for the reasons I listed above, and the airline might be concerned that Brussels Airlines really will restart the BRU route.

That leaves FRA and MUC, probably the two routes that BRS will miss most. The Loganair ownership will know what flybmi got out of the code share and presumably it's not to their liking, even if they were in a position to operate these routes.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 13:22
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Fares to Denmark seem pretty reasonable. A return on ABZ-EBJ is £130 in July, which compares favourably to FR (EDI-BLL) once hold baggage is factored in.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 17:33
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They seem to have cancelled several flights from the Northern Isles to EDI tomorrow. Anyone know why?
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 17:54
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They sent an ERJ145 on GLA BEB SYY BEB GLA this morning. I don't know if this was planned or if the s340 went tech and they had this one available. They do GLA BEB with the jet on Sat / Sun.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 18:34
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Originally Posted by Rob Royston View Post
They sent an ERJ145 on GLA BEB SYY BEB GLA this morning. I don't know if this was planned or if the s340 went tech and they had this one available. They do GLA BEB with the jet on Sat / Sun.
I know that LGNA is in for work and has been since 28/02/19. I'll have a look now to see if anything else could've bring this to pass.

Edit: LGNF hasn't flown since last night and is in ABZ, strange to see the SF34s not flying a day during the week.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 18:35
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An EDI ERJ35 positioned to NCL (G-SAJU) due to tech issues with G-SAJB. Could be a reason why?

SAJB is now back online.
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 19:05
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Sure I read somewhere that tomorrow was originally expected to be a strike day through the islands. Iíd guess any schedule reductions far ahead would be for this reason?
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 19:40
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Albert, correct.

https://www.loganair.co.uk/travel-ad...ol-26th-april/
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Old 25th Apr 2019, 20:22
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Originally Posted by inOban View Post
They seem to have cancelled several flights from the Northern Isles to EDI tomorrow. Anyone know why?
HIAL staff had planned strike action on 26th April. Am sure its been cancelled but LM took flights off sale weeks ago.
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Old 26th Apr 2019, 14:25
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Scotland's Loganair ends Do328 operations

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...328-operations

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Old 26th Apr 2019, 21:52
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What are the plans for the dornier now, are they going to try and sell them or are they only fit for scrap?
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